Bikers Of America, Know Your Rights!: Big Bear Choppers Out Of Business. Update.

OFF THE WIRE

Cyril Huze

I HEARD THEY TOOK MONEY FROM THE MARINES IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, AND GIVE THEM AN INCOMPLETE BIKE HERE IN SAN DIEGO,CA. WHEN I HEARD, KEVIN SAID THAT YOU HAVE A COMPLETE BIKE AND ,THE BIKE WAS MISSING PARTS AND THEY WERE TAKEN OFF CUSTOMERS BIKES TO FILL THE ORDER. BUT ALL THE PARTS ARE NOT ALL THERE TO BUILD A BIKE, NOT A GOOD WAY TO TREAT ARE WOUNDED MARINE WARROIR............W.T.F.

On Thursday December 8, I received a call from Mona Alsop, not intending, as I requested 10 days ago, to give me a full statement on the Big Bear Choppers situation, but asking that we remove her phone number listed in “comments” by a person who could be an ex collaborator.
Of course, during this phone conversation, I asked her the questions to which all BC’s clients/vendors and the overall industry would like answers. To almost each of them Mona replied that BBC’s lawyer requested that her and Kevin make no statement. The only pieces of information I could get was: 1- that BBC tried hard to keep the business afloat, hoping for an investor to step in. 2- that the company will file for bankruptcy. 3- that Kevin would have contacted all clients who have legitimate issues regarding deposits or bikes paid in full and never delivered.
Mona refused to clearly answer my questions regarding: the foreclosure process by 2 of BBC’s lenders; if one way or the other BBC intended to complete the bikes ordered, paid and never delivered; if it is true that they already moved equipment/bikes/inventory to another location and which one; if BBC has the intention to operate under bankruptcy or if her and Kevin intend to start a new bike building business.
Before ending the conversation, and although I obviously respect the fact that their attorney doesn’t want BBC owners to talk to the press, I suggested again that it would be better for all those concerned by BBC demise that she provides me with a written official statement regarding her and Kevin’s intentions, and that I will publish it as is. For this purpose, a deadline of Friday evening December 9 was agreed between us but I still didn’t receive any statement as of today Sunday December 12, 2011.

Since I published my 1st article about BBC suspending its operations, I have received calls and emails from some of BBC’s clients who state that they have paid in full or given deposits, some 11 months ago, for custom bikes never started or delivered. Some have commented in writing in my website about their anger and frustration with the Alsop’s and of their impossibility to communicate with them. A well informed source formally working at BBC told me that deposits were still taken less than one month ago and that collaborators since a long time have tried to discourage Kevin & Mona Alsop to continue such practice when there was no hope that bikes could be completed. It seems that the number of bikes ordered by clients located in the US and abroad and never delivered would be quite high. I was also told by another source that inventory and tools would have been moved to an undisclosed location. I was unable to verify all these allegations, and as I mentioned above, I got only non-answers from Mona Alsop when I asked her to confirm or deny.
What is known for sure is that the 2 loans given to BBC by First Mountain Bank (147,000) and in second rank last April by Big bear Lake City Small Business Administration ($100,000) are delinquent with apparently a due principal higher than the original amounts of these loans. Apparently they were given on the basis of BBC’s bike orders. Such process is typical of what is requested by banks and non-fraudulent if money received for these orders is not already spent, partially or in full, for payment of general bills like salaries, rent, contractors not related to the cost of building each specific ordered motorcycle, etc. Money received to build motorcycles are trust funds belonging to clients. Some, in the industry, and although it’s not a legal requirement, cautiously put deposits in separate bank accounts to avoid commingling the company’s and clients’ funds, the right way to avoid legal trouble and the risk of felony charges if there is a legal breach of contract and the builder is out of money to start or complete a motorcycle. For a company, to deliver parts or a partly completed motorcycle for the corresponding deposit amount is also a breach of contract because the client ordered a completed motorcycle, not parts, nor a partial motorcycle because it’s still not a motorcycle until fully completed and road worthy. Now, clients I talked to are convinced that their money was illegally spent by BBC only for the purpose of keeping the company afloat a longer time.

My impression, and the one of a majority of people professionally close to BBC as former collaborators, vendors and clients, is that Kevin and Mona Alsop tried too long and too hard, and by all means, to maintain a business already showing signs of serious trouble at least 2 years ago. Is it terrible business judgment, greed gone too far, ego of its managers, denial of economic realities or a combination of all this that pushed the Alsops to continue taking deposits while they apparently knew very well that they didn’t have the human resources, the equipment and no more clients’ money to build their motorcycles? I don’t know for sure, but I think that if all allegations are confirmed it was for the Alspo’s taking huge professional and personal legal risks with possible very serious and long term consequences for both of them. From my point of view, it’s never worth it. (to follow)

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1 Brett Dec 11th, 2011 at 9:04 am
If they move corporate assets to an undisclosed location just before filing for bankruptcy, it will have very serious consequences. Just saying.
2 mdsphoto Dec 11th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Feel for their customers this is a familiar story of greedy people taking advantage of a surge in the bike building business and trusting people taking it in the ass.
3 me Dec 11th, 2011 at 9:38 am
How about reposting Mona”s phone number.
4 Donny Dec 11th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Cyril in your article you are way too nice with these people. It looks like the industry is not too sorry for them. There must be 1 good reason, or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5, etc
5 zyon Dec 11th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Yah, this is crap! If they were taking deposits with full knowing that they could not fill orders, both of them and anyone else in the company that knew this should sit in jail for a long time. Its people like this that give custom builders of any product a bad name.
Least when OCC was going through their money issues, customers still got their bikes…. I almost bought a BBC (used but still) and I’m very glad I don’t have one of these in my garage right now. Think about how low the resale value will be!
6 Boss Hawg Dec 11th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Sounds like they are in deep shit.
I for one hope that the monies taken for deposits are found taken by fraudulent means with intent to defraud, that the monies borrowed were ill gotten and spent for other uses than loaned for, and that they are found guilty for bankruptcy fraud.
From what I read and have been told, they willfully did what they were doing all along and had no intent for the monies taken as deposits and borrowed other than to support their lifestyles with the possibility of fulfilling orders as they could as the economy improves.
Bernie Madoff was sorry too! Look at Jodie Foster’s dad taking the deposits for houses and now going to jail…same thing. Same thing different goods. If they do the crime, make them do the time.
Boss Hawg
7 PHILIP aka SCREWDRIVER Dec 11th, 2011 at 10:50 am
I HEARD THEY TOOK MONEY FROM THE MARINES AND GIVE THEM AN INCOMPLETE BIKE HERE IN SAN DIEGO,CA. WHEN I HEARD, KEVIN SAID THAT YOU HAVE A COMPLETE BIKE AND ,THE BIKE WAS MISSING PARTS AND THEY WERE TAKEN OFF CUSTOMERS BIKES TO FUILL THE ORDER. BUT ALL THE PARTS ARE NOT ALL THERE TO BUILD A BIKE, NOT A GOOD WAY TO TREAT ARE WOUNDED WARROIR MARINES….W.T.F.
8 J Dec 11th, 2011 at 10:54 am
The old live-off-the-deposits story;
To be followed by the doing-5 to15 years-for-a-variety-of-Federal-charges story…..
9 Boss Hawg Dec 11th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Ah….this is getting better than the Days Of Our Lives
Boss Hawg
10 Lightnin`Larry Dec 11th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Well can’t say that I didn’t warn folks about this, I been saying it for over two years now! Again the Alsops have no honor and never did! Just look at the way the recall was handled and how they tried every trick in the book to keep that information from becoming public in the first place and by so doing putting thousands of lives at risk just to cover their own @sses! Then trying to insist that it was the owners fault and not their $hitty manufacturing with no beveling on the frame tubes and only poorly done surface welds! Anyone that would do such a thing shows absolutely no regard for the safety and welfare of their customers lives and the lives of those around them and obviously can’t be trusted with anything whatsoever much less your money! Here’s hopping that each of them (and anyone else that helped them in their deception) get multiple felony charges that rack up about 25 years each in federal prison!
Hey Kev, say hello to Bubba your new cellmate and ask him nicely to please use the KY!
LL
11 Brett Dec 11th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Hey maybe the douche that owned Mid West Choppers has room in his cell for Kevin…
12 Roadie Dec 11th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Doesn’t look good for the clients, vendors and the Alsop duo. Another black eye to the motorccle industry.
13 Mike out Dec 11th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Where did they hide the money they made from the other bikes? Will the state take their house in Hawaii? The cash is somewhere they just want to be able to walk away and let the general public pay their bill. Deport his ass back to wherever he came from. They knocked off a lot of good law abiding citizens products with no regard for ethics. All they are is thieves! Send the both of them to JAIL!
Mark my words! Bourget is working on new bikes he Will knock off Confederates style of bike. It’s in his nature to knock off products too.
14 Boss Hawg Dec 11th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
@ Mike Out….
WTF…you don’t really mean Kevin & Mona Alsop have a house in Hawaii do you???
Tell us what ya know please.
Boss Hawg
15 Chuy Dec 11th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Cyril, noticed the phones numbers are still here.
Guess Mona still hasn’t learned, “you have to give respect to get respect”
16 666 Dec 11th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
I have never seen a crew so hated by everyone in all my years. The vendors , employees , customers dealers they all hate these 2. Must be a good reason with all that
17 Brian Dec 11th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
No offense but I can’t believe anyone would consider buying a new BBC within the last 2 or 3 years, especially since the frame recall which was handled so poorly. Buyer beware especially in such a bad economy. It would be one thing to buy a new complete bike from their showroom or a dealer, but to give them a deposit towards a new build? My condolences but that was a bad decision that has been widely known for years now. Good luck, I hope you get your money back.
18 Mike out Dec 11th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Through the grape vine, they had or still have a house there. Think about it they made 21 MILLION a year. That’s a ton of cash! They have it somewhere. Look at SR. At occ he has made over 100 million in his pocket, but he’s giving up his mega million dollar building because it’s not worth as much as he signed for. He has the money to build another building for less out of his own pocket though. The Alsops want to be able to walk away with just a bankruptcy to their business name. Bankruptcy is a very big deal for most, but for some it’s a way to leave someone else holding the bag on their bills. Theyve been getting their ducks in a row and very soon they will walk away to somewhere out of view and enjoy the money they stashed. So to the Alsops and Paul SR. I say F@CK YOU pay your bills ,you LOW LIFE MFers
19 Isaac M Dec 11th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Did any of you see the Bloomberg Mentor show with Big Bear Choppers. It was weird. I saw this episode just two weeks ago and It must have been filmed eight months before. They showed bikes half completed and said were are trying to complete this bike, but no employees were working on it. It fact I saw no employess other than the Aslops. Just an empty warehouse. They keot telling thier mentor they just needed half a million to get things back on track!! You would think that they would have at least hired some help for those days of shooting, but they could couldn’t even think that though. They said on air that they had money and had not talked to their customers for months on bikes that were months overdue!!! After seeing that show I’m not surprised to read this entry by Cyril.
20 Lambo Dec 11th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
I’m surprised the Feds have not stepped in -
21 Mike out Dec 11th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
On a positive note… There were many companies who before they closed their doors, paid their employees, filled their customers orders, paid their employee taxes, paid the state, paid the IRS, paid their vendors, and all corporate bills. Sold their properties or when their lease ended moved out, leaving no one looking for any money from them. These people showed ETHICS when going out of business. To these people,we should be proud of the integrity they showed when times were hardest and stress levels were highest. They were able to maintain character during a difficult time. NOT ALL companies that closed their doors displade unethical behavior. There are a few companies which I miss being able to buy there products because they are not around anymore, but at least they were HONEST and did not STEAL from me.
22 zyon Dec 11th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
MIke Out… before you condemn Sr, check your facts. He came to an agreement with the bank to refinance the loan on the building and due to this, he will keep his current facility.
Also, bankruptcy does not mean you leave someone else holding the bag. It’s a way of business and restructuring debts and assets. trump has done it several times and he is considered a financial mastermind to many.
23 mdsphoto Dec 11th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
No one will ever see a dime from these two and it is doubtful they will ever do any time in jail. Even if those people who lost money sue them and win, winning and collecting are two different things! I dealt with a piece of shit builder in Orlando who took my deposit and a lot of others money and closed up shop. Filed a law suit and won, but I was behind hundreds of other creditors that wanted their money and never got a dime. He was brought up on plenty of charges, but he did no time.
24 jus me Dec 11th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
If he hooks up with Billy Lane there will be some awesome sleds comin out da joint!
25 raccerx Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:38 am
i have first hand information that the alsop’s have moved out of there house, most likely because of the pig head that was thrown in there yard two weeks ago. Mona was seen in the local Von’s store tonight which means to me that they are renting a house or staying in a hotel somewhere in Big Bear still. the 70 customers that have been taking advantaged of need to band together and get the federal goverment invovled.
26 jatinder pal Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:41 am
Sad ending to fairy tale story. I agree with everyone,where did the money went and why were they not giving customers the clear picture?
Hope guys who invested in their products get their cash back.
27 hk Dec 12th, 2011 at 1:24 am
everytime i read one of these things the 6 big bears we have left are losing value by the internet click .It sucks that we ever got involved with this company our $250,000 investment must have bought them some nice household items .
28 The Supreme Team Dec 12th, 2011 at 1:27 am
Really unfortunate that these folks have been such shitheads in closing the doors. Walk away from the bank debt?….it’s business…Walk away before bilking people out of their personal money and savings? Now it’s personal and you should have your nuts cut off…both Mona and Kevin.
Advised my chrome shop to hold the order of BBC forward controls they dropped off a couple months ago…sure would be interesting to see if Kevin or Mona showed up to claim them.
29 Guest666 Dec 12th, 2011 at 4:25 am
Im surprised they managed to stay open this long, next time you have her on the phone ask them about putting used motors and used transmissions in bikes, getting a buy back from dealer that were over 3 years old and putting new vin numbers on them and selling them as that current years model. when they put the x-wedge in the first athena and sled models and bending the seat post with a hammer because it hit the starter. with them there was no quality control the more bikes that went out and the faster they went out the quicker they got paid.
30 Oldude Dec 12th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Just more evidence that the ” Chopper ” craze is over. As I have stated before anyone want to invest in a small ” Chopper ” building company??
31 biker64 Dec 12th, 2011 at 8:33 am
Kinda of ironic that the Alsop’s were suing everybody for stealing their so called original parts and now they have stolen customers deposits. Met them once at the V Twin Show, they were both ass holes. Hope they do some jail time
32 Boss Hawg Dec 12th, 2011 at 8:34 am
@ Biker 64
Amen Brother…you got that statement dead on!
Boss Hawg
33 John Williams Dec 12th, 2011 at 8:52 am
..alomst like a Ponzy Scheme..taking in money to pay off others..
ride on
34 Branson Dec 12th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Silver lining of the recession. Getting rid of the bad apples.
35 mid-north-kustomz Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:16 am
reading all this people, makes me feel ashamed to be australian. i say this coz i really cant beleive kevin would do a runner. mona does as shes told, shel stay by her man as many do b4 her, and, many after her. so, lets just keep her outa this.now, even if kevin knew all this shit was happening, didnt the company have accountants ? didnt those accountants see and ,forsee what was happening ? are all of you that kwik to sentence people to jail ? the way i see it, the bastards behind those swivel chairs lookn at computors for 6-8 hrs a day gettn big dollars to manage a company should be strung up,, dont you think so ? — kev, if yr readin this mate, do what u can 4 the bikers !! its those people that put you there in the first place, u may have worked hard in the beginning, but, they put you up there !! no ifs or buts ! pay back those deposits man, please !
36 Bradshaw Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:24 am
I hear about 70 bikes paid in part or in full and not completed. Is it possible? It sounds so incredible!
37 mike@meanstreet forks Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:27 am
I just want to say that Orange County Choppers is a great customer of ours and has always been straight forward. The guys you see on tv contact us personally and there is nothing i can say bad about them. always pay thier bills without fail. You dont find them running from the phone.
38 Rodder Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:31 am
For BBC, 70 bikes would mean for sure more than 1 year of work,. 1 year of deposits going where? Not going only to pay rent, utilities or salaries (to pay people not building?) So, where went the money? If it went in Alsop’s pockets, big trouble ahead.
39 Ariel Dakin Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:46 am
I have a lot of respect for for Kevin and Mona. They have tried very hard to keep things afloat through this difficult time. I have watched how they handled their business, and I’d be willing to bet none of you could have done it better.
Want to talk about people getting jacked??????????????
LIGHTENING LARRY…….
You filed a bogus lawsuit over a bike YOU destroyed.
Strokers Dallas ordered 20 bikes to be built and shipped. Kevin built them, shipped them and dude never paid.
The list goes on and on.
I am sure that Kevin never intended for his customers to be hurt. Now it is each man for himself.
Just a small vision of where this whole country is going.
So, quit your whining and man up.
40 Bradshaw Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Are you saying Strokers Dallas ordered 20 BBC bikes and never paid them? It needs a confirmation and a reply from Rick Fairless .
41 Ariel Dakin Dec 12th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Well, check it out. He is just one of many. Rick sent all the bikes back without a word.
How far would you be able to go with the crap if you were in his shoes?
Think about it.
Kevin had an awesome plan, and his bikes were the best customs out there.
There comes a time when enough is a f in nuff, and there is no way to win or even get ahead anymore.
Then what happens?
All I am saying is Kevin did not set out to intentionally “rip people off” as everyone is saying.
Sometimes there is no good way to handle crap. He tried.
42 mid-north-kustomz Dec 12th, 2011 at 10:13 am
spot on aerial ! MOUSE UP GUYZ !!
43 Bradshaw Dec 12th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Ariel. And why Rick fairless sent the 20 BBC bikes back without a word? Are you saying BBC ran in trouble because of that? Not very credible.
44 BILLY Dec 12th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Just one thing… the Alsops have stolen more than customer deposits.. i know for a fact that they took $35k from two different people at least six months ago… they also took about $34k from an old man about eleven months ago…plus they took $56k from another unsuspecting customer…that adds up to more than $160k…those weren’t deposit, but the full cost of the bikes… these customers were told that if they put up the full fare that their bikes would be built in 12 weeks or sooner than the normal period of time that it took to build a bike … that amount of money plus other money that i don’t know about and the deposit money adds up to a lot of accountable money with no bikes to show for it…so where is it the money? We all know where… there is just so little we can do about it…. none of us who were taken in by these people who have some sort of sick sense of entitlement will ever see any of that money or procuct… the best we can hope for is that they will never be allowed to go back into business and do this to someone else…
45 Ariel Dakin Dec 12th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I am saying that a lot has gone down, and that this is just one of the issues he faced. None of us know everything that transpired. He has hung in there doing his best for longer than most. I give him credit for that.
I have respect for the MAN. I have respect for his loyal wife. This is a difficult time for all of us, especially us in the bike world.
46 roscoe Dec 12th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Shoulda bought a Victory.
47 Henry Belzer Dec 12th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Since when you are a business man with merit because you ask clients to pay deposits or in full for bikes you know you will never build? Loyal to her husband? Profiting with her husband. In my books it’s called white collar crime. No?
48 Lightnin`Larry Dec 12th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Ariel Dakin,
Get this straight ASSHOLE that POS frame was designed and built bad! End of story and there are MOUNTAINS of proof to that fact! Not only do I have a certified failure analysis on it but there were others that did x-rays on the welds that show the truth as well. Even BBC’s own failure analysis of the welds showed that! Kevin tried to keep all that from the public but the NHTSA made them deal with it but even then they still tried to continue the lie that it was somehow the owners fault! Do you know how many neck failures actually happened? Well I do and so does the NHTSA, last count there was 6 neck failures! Are all those other neck failures bogus too! You don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground! I’ll even give you the opportunity to come to my house and see that frame up close and personal and make the determination for yourself! So put up or shut the hell up and that goes for anyone else that thinks those welds and the tube prep were done right! Kevin was and is a liar and a thief and you’re an idiot if you believe any different!
LL
49 Ariel Dakin Dec 12th, 2011 at 11:10 am
LOL! You are the fool loser. And we both know the real truth about that. Get a life. Learn how to ride.
Maybe you should have stuck with mini bikes. More your speed. LOL
50 Ariel Dakin Dec 12th, 2011 at 11:11 am
and yes, it it your fault. Constantly pullin wheelies on a 12 foot chopper. IGNORANT is all.
51 Ariel Dakin Dec 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am
6 neck failures out of how many bikes? All sorts of parts will fail if you abuse your scoot fool. Even Harleys have failures.
Run along now little boy.
52 The Supreme Team Dec 12th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Nothing wrong with trying to make a company work, but when the signs are there and you’re not seeing it happen, there’s something called INTEGRITY….READ CAREFULLY…INTEGRITY.
It’s like pulling somebody else underwater because you don’t know how to swim, until you’ve screwed both that person and yourself…die like a man with your failure to learn how to swim…don’t take others down with you.
They “hung in there doing his best for longer than most”…using other folk’s money and loans, and so on. Hell…I could live pretty comfortably off that money for a few years in Big Bear…except I have a conscience.
I’m astonished to see such support…sounds like a drinking buddy.
53 Boss Hawg Dec 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Henry Belzer
White collar crime…yes indeed it would be that and more.
Lightning Larry
Don’t let the dude upset you….you know the facts and allegations, too. It is more than likely someone being promised something to refute these postings sort of like kevs sista in da hood.
Boss Hawg
54 olgraybeard Dec 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Well I don’t care what you guys say . . . I’d do her. . . I just wouldn’t buy a bike from them. But I don’t buy bikes from anyone. I build my own and never had a weld failure on a frame and I’m not a certified welder. But I have worked with allot of certified welders. I can’t believe a certified welder would let a frame go with a bad weld. Of course if they weren’t using certified welders all bets are off. My 2 cents
55 Ariel Dakin Dec 12th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Boss Hawg – Not a sis or even a friend. Just tried of all the bashing.
The Supreme Team – I do agree with you.
Just stating my opinion was all.
56 Joe Cree Dec 12th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Actually I’ve seen their frames up close and the welds aren’t as much the issue as just plain poor design. I know I wouldn’t use one of their frames on a build. The way the recall was handled seemed to be a huge issue with their customer base too and that bad PR tends to spread fast. I’m sure there are issues behind the scenes too as there are with any story. Just another black eye on an already battered industry.
57 Rick Fairless Dec 12th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Hey Ariel, your information is WRONG & it pisses me off that you brought my name up in all this BS. At one time I was a BBC dealer, but I saw this day coming 3 years ago, at which time I terminated my dealership with BBC & we have to do that thru the State of Texas & GE Financial. There are many reasons that I terminated my BBC dealership that I won’t go into here. I pride myself on being a good business man & terminating my BBC dealership was a good business decision. In the state of Texas, when a dealership is terminated then the manufacturer must buy back any current inventory on the dealer’s floor plan & the manufacturer knows that when they enter into a contract with a dealer in the great state of Texas. I went through the proper channels through the state of Texas & GE Financial which held the paper on those bikes & it was 9 bikes not 20. Ya know, I may not be the smartest kid in this Special Ed class, but I knew this day was coming & I didn’t want to get stuck with bikes on my floor plan that I couldn’t give a way! Who ever you are Ariel, please leave me out of this. My business & personal relationship with BBC is none of your dang business! I wrote a bunch more stuff on here, but after reading it & cooling off a little, I decided to delete most of it, but at least I feel a little better now! Good luck to everyone caught up in this very unfortunate situation, it’s very, very sad for our very proud industry. Mark my word, this industry will rebound & be better than ever. My intent is to leave this industry better than I found it & I hope that’s your intent as well.
Good luck to all involved.
RF
58 biker Dec 12th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Instant Karma
59 2Low Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
I have the feeling that when everything is discovered, the BBC story may be the worst heard in a long time in the custom motorcycle industry. I hope not, but I am afraid it will damage builders’ reputation. Very sad if it’s the case because there are many honest people working hard, always thinking in the best interest of their clients..
60 Bill Davenport Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Next step, Mona Alsop defends herself pretending she was never aware of these deposits and never personally benefited… Heard this before in the news?
61 Lightnin`Larry Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Like I said Ariel if you’re so sure of what you say then come to my house yourself and see it first hand. I’ll show you the frame the failure analysis and all the documentation, that offer goes out to any and all doubters.
Never ever have I ever pulled a wheelie on any bike I have ever owned and just where are you hearing that from, Kevin maybe as some kind of excuse to divert attention away from his shitty manufacturing and design practices? How the hell would you or anyone else for that matter that doesn’t even know me be stupid enough to say something like that! I have likely been riding longer than you have been alive, you don’t know me or anything about me. You’re just a regurgitation of false information and not even that good at it. So again put up or shut up, if your gonna call me a liar then come on up and do so to my face, you live in California obviously and San Jose is not the far from SoCal so come on up! I have proof of what I say, do you????
LL
62 Lightnin`Larry Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
And so Ariel we also see how good your information actually is regarding Rick Fairless and what you say and what he says. So Ariel is Rick a liar or are you???? I think it’s pretty obvious!
LL
63 maninbox Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Asa part time Big Bear resident for many years, I watched the rise (and fall?) of Big Bear Choppers from the beginning. Thier building has looked pretty sad for months now. Nobody there and only a bike or 2 in the window. I don’t know the Alsop’s personally but there was a lot of good local people working there who had a real passion for the bikes and the business. Too bad, sounds like its all over for them now. Real concerned about the recent stories of taking deposits with no chance of building the bikes and hiding assets and all. Who do the Alsops think they are? Some kind of Wall Street types who can steal billions and never get in trouble?
64 dowhat youlove Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Rick Fairless is the bomb! He has and will always do it right! The way our industry should be run. Frank Kaisler, an industry legend, introduced me to Rick way back when I just cut my teeth in this world…we need to get back to this world! BTW, someone left a dead pig in Mona and Kevin’s front yard last week. Says a lot….. Check out the local Big Bear police reports.
65 Ariel Dakin Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Rick – . I do apologize for bringing your name in. You are right and your point taken. Your business decisions are your business, but as you know you cant make everyone happy. Some decisions are really difficult, and most affect others in some way.
Just tired of the bashing. Perhaps, the bashers should walk a mile in Kevin’s shoes.
I wish you success in this difficult time.
66 Sluggo Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
This is a very sad story. They had been very good people.
67 Ariel Dakin Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Larry – Evidently you have forgotten your post on utube, and the Ride the Mountain?
Not too surprising…… like I said, “we both know that truth.
68 Blackbird Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
After the bank closed Big Dog Motorcycles, the writing was on the wall for other manufacturers of custom or semi-custom V-Twins. Like Sheldon, Kevin tried to keep that ship afloat as long as he could. Unfortunately, when businesses fail, the folks running the business are viewed as “bad guys” regardless much they lost trying to make it a success.
Unfortunately, BDMPP recently laid off John Nasi and Michaell Simmons. Both were top notch individuals who tried to make BDMPP a success.
With help from a lot of guys like Rick Fairless, this industry will turn around. I just hope some to the guys who built the industry are around to enjoy the recovery.
69 Lightnin`Larry Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Ariel,
I’ve never posted anything on uTube! Send me the link to what you are referring to or is this just another one of your attempted deceptions.
And yes I do KNOW the truth!
LL
70 Ultima Dec 12th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
I have a welding job for Kevin. It pay’s $16.55 an hour!
71 DMV Dec 12th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Its too bad manufacturers don’t have the same legal protection as dealers do when it comes to back pedaling bad business decisions. Rick mentioned it. When a dealer decides he can’t sell a product, the state requires the manufacturer buy everything back. That includes bikes, parts, apparel. Everything. And in some states they have to pay the dealers interest, shipping charges, and building lease. Market collapses, manufacturers have to buy everything back. Dealers either close their doors and go back to their day job or try to sell service and parts. Manufacturers end up with all the product that didn’t sell and end up filing bankruptcy. Why this surprises everyone amazes me. Get ready because the rest of the manufacturers are suffering and now we’re down to the group that is “too big to fail”.
72 Paul Dec 12th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
If Cyril didn’t start talking about BBC 2 weeks ago, today Kevin would continue to take deposits from clients.
73 Will Espinosa Dec 12th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
The Alsop’s: reckless management. Price to pay very soon.
74 FrankenBagger Dec 12th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Well….
Sumtin comes to mind bout living in glass houses and throwin stones.
Yall act like you no all facts. Spewing B.S.
Careful.
75 bigalyts Dec 12th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Cyril, I like you very much and respect what you do with your Blog,,But don’t you think that you were Dreaming a bit, demanding a full statement or a legal explanation of their “Doings”! Come on Cyril,do you think that there is a way that you are going to relieve the anxiety of the Customers that are taking it up the old Poop shoot.These Folks, Your readers and Motorcycle Lovers are done!
76 FrankenBagger Dec 12th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Right on DMV
DMV says,
“Its too bad manufacturers don’t have the same legal protection as dealers do when it comes to back pedaling bad business decisions. Rick mentioned it. When a dealer decides he can’t sell a product, the state requires the manufacturer buy everything back. That includes bikes, parts, apparel. Everything. And in some states they have to pay the dealers interest, shipping charges, and building lease. Market collapses, manufacturers have to buy everything back. Dealers either close their doors and go back to their day job or try to sell service and parts. Manufacturers end up with all the product that didn’t sell and end up filing bankruptcy. Why this surprises everyone amazes me. Get ready because the rest of the manufacturers are suffering and now we’re down to the group that is “too big to fail”.
77 whyme Dec 12th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
The BBC website just went down while I was looking at it. Fyi
78 Boss Hawg Dec 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Too cute, so apropos … BBC didn’t pay the Website Host either…LMFAO
Quote “This site has been suspended. Please contact the billing department. 1-866-WEBAIR-1″
Boss Hawg
79 golfish Dec 12th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
I was just about to order another set of axle covers for my DA I see those about the only thing I’ll miss about BBC..
80 Zep Dec 12th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Kinda like the Black Death Motorcycles story, but in another decennium…
81 Lambo Dec 12th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
RF = class act
FYI – just tried to open their web site – say “this site is suspended, please contact the billing dept” – guess it’s over for them
82 Chuy Dec 12th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Ariel Dakin, please stay out of it. You have given nothing but bad information.You slandered people, and you were wrong. Lighting Larry you one bad mo-fo doing wheelies on those long and low BBC bikes, i just didn’t see it from the first time Ariel posted it,
Next time try looking before you leap Ariel
83 Carlos Dec 12th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
What a bunch of f***ing turkey vulchers. Feeding off of someones misfortune.
Pig carcass in front yard?
Expecting his wife to disclose info.?
Unbelievable!
Kudos to Aerial for standing up.
84 Olfart Dec 12th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
What a bunch of vultures, circling for your piece of the kill like bloody carnivores. How many of you good people praised their work, applauded their success and were impressed by their product.
Now, with limited information and one sided beat up stories, you slaughter these two people who are probably totally devastated by this regrettable and sad turn of events.
Everybody loses when a company goes under, there are no winners. Life is a risk, business is an even bigger risk and with hindsight I bet you will see these two people aren’t the arseholes you all make them out to be.
Its awesome to see you people who are so quick to get on the success bandwagon can so quickly turn into back stabbing, slandering, monsters with an eat-your-own children enthusiasm, all from the safety and comfort of your computer screens.
Back in the day when one of my brothers was in trouble, we all banded together and helped him out. What you are doing is exactly the opposite of that. What an uninspiring pack of people you are. This list of bleating broken hearted naysayers just proves that apathy, despondency and failure is alive and well in your once great nation. Lift yourselves above the grovelling and do some good you fuckers.
85 Fred UHL Dec 12th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
This story is one of many with quite a few similiar behavior issues by management, and not just in this industry, of course.
With all of that said… it makes guys like Donny Loos look pretty good, you know? Guys that just love to do it and build on so many levels, through thick or thin, no matter the muck being slung around them.
With my limited knowledge, I have never heard a shit word towards that guy. Kind of tells me something, you know?
Just sayin… next year I think I know where my dollars are going, come to think of it…
86 Ariel Dakin Dec 12th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Thank you Olfart, for so eloquently expressing what I was trying in vain to get across.
Peace
87 Smittydog Dec 12th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
To BBC , you have to know your limitations.
88 Texas Pat Dec 12th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
I”m thinking they soon will be trading stories with Rod Blogovich in prison about who is the most crooked and unethical. I hope the Feds find all their assets, property and equipment , have a big auction and distribute it to everyone they owe. Sounds like they ruined alot of people’s lives, shame on the Alsops.
89 The Supreme Team Dec 12th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Olfart…did you miss the part where they essentially stole money from people for bikes that will never be built?
Having been on the receiving end of this type of screwing from the previous owner of Supreme to the tune/cost of about 9 BBC choppers (if they’d actually been completed), I have nothing but contempt for people that do this kind of screwing. We survived by working our ass off doing damage control and standing behind our good word….BBC DID NOT.
Instead they’re off hiding and wondering where to go. They were savvy enough to ask for help on the Bloomberg bit, but not sensible enough to realize they were much deeper in it…to the point of no return.
That certainly doesn’t warrant taking from others in good faith, then bending them over.
I’ve never met Kevin or Mona, because I didn’t need to…heard enough about them from the previous owner and industry folks, and all the shenanigans that transpired with his machining and how he “acquired” his machinists…etc.
I don’t wish failure on anybody, but when you start STEALING from others….karma comes full circle.
90 Brandon Dec 12th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Kevin and Mona Alsop. Refund the money given by clients who never got their motorcycles. I guess that at one time you were living large. You must have the money somewhere, right? Man up.
91 Cha Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
“You Mileage May Vary….”
Facts
- I ordered a GTX from them after Sturgis 2010.
- We settled on a fair price (way below list…sorry dealers, but I figure I can lift the silence now)
- Delivered right around 14 weeks to my door on the East Coast
- Had some problems with some drive train parts…BBC FEDExed replacements free
- Kevin called me say they had put the wrong speedo on…they shipped me a new one. Again Free.
- Headers cracked–exhaust misaligned. BBC Shipped me new ones. Yet again Free.
- I did all the maintenance and diagnosis myself
What I believe;
- We sometimes believe our own hype and think we can make a bad situation work. Anybody divorced out there?
- Ain’t no excuse for taking and keeping peoples cash when you can’t deliver…but you can fix that by returning the money or doing the time in the Pen.
- I got the LAST GTX!!!!! (At least it seems that way…)
92 PHILIP aka SCREWDRIVER Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
I HEARD THEY TOOK MONEY FROM THE MARINES AND GIVE THEM AN INCOMPLETE BIKE HERE IN SAN DIEGO,CA. WHEN I HEARD, KEVIN SAID THAT YOU HAVE A COMPLETE BIKE AND ,THE BIKE WAS MISSING PARTS AND THEY WERE TAKEN OFF CUSTOMERS BIKES TO FUILL THE ORDER. BUT ALL THE PARTS ARE NOT ALL THERE TO BUILD A BIKE, NOT A GOOD WAY TO TREAT ARE WOUNDED WARROIR MARINES….W.T.F.
93 Wolf Chop Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
BBC website suspended for non-payment! Kind of ironic that there is a Big Bear Choppers model called Big Bear Bones. It was a sign of the destiny…
94 Stephen Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Hmm. If they have money or assets hidden somewhere it would not be in the US. If they were smart they would hide it in Australia or New Zealand. Uncle Sam can’t get ‘em down under.
Here’s something you probably don’t know, Kevin is probably just a US resident and still has his Aussie passport so he can piss off any time. Why would I say this? I am an Aussie with a green card, I lived in CA for many happy years but there was no way I’d ever give up my Australian citizenship and I’ve never met an Aussie who would. My money is on him coming back to OZ and starting over, probably in Sydney or within easy driving distance.
As far as people standing by their word, I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again because they are true to their word. You can take the word of Supreme Team to the bank. They also go the extra mile to make sure everything is right.
95 JERRY Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Well i don’t know what to say about all this.. my name is Jerry Waters and as have said before,, i am one of the people who paid up front for my bike… what a genius i am…. after 11 months of many excuses and lies i decided to take matters into my own hands….i went up to big bear and took my bike… or actually about a half of bike… i considered my self lucky that i got that much of a motorcycle…i got a lot more than a lot of people got..i took it to another builder and he told me it had a lot of wrong parts on it that simply won’t work… I thought i savaged about $15k worth of motorcycle, but i am still out about $20k… pretty tough on a man who lives on social security… so not only did they steal my money, but they did not even have the integrity to build what they built with the right parts….. i think the only reason they started my build is to have something to show on the television show presented by Bloomberg..oh well people… for some reason i am not even mad… i am just glad it is all over so i can move on…. they have to live with what they did to people, not me….i wish all of you well that are in the same boat…. Jerry….
96 Mark Dec 12th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Two things…
1) Regarding BBC. I watched the show on Bloomberg where Kevin said they were doing $18 million a year. He also said, if I remember right, that they need to sell 5 bikes a month to break even. That means they need around $200k a month to cover their bills. Now that may sound like a ton of money to us on here, but you can’t build an $18MM/yr business without spending big money. Rent, insurance, salaries, machine payments, etc. So when you drop below the threshold of 5 bikes/month and you don’t have enough profit to make ends meet.. it’s easy to say “well that’s when you go BK and close up shop”. But the owners always think everything will turn around, so they spend the last deposit to keep the doors open, but then they don’t have the money to buy the parts to make the bike… but then the next deposit comes, so they can build the bike for a guy from months ago, and keep the doors open longer.
I know it sounds like a scumbag thing to do, but most businesses are run this way – they don’t take the money and put it in a box and only spend it when they are buying something for that customers bike.
Now, if Kevin and Mona took money when they knew they were not going to be able to deliver anything – well, that’s shitty.
I will also add that I never did business with Kevin personally. I met him at the V-Twin show and he came over to me like an arrogant asshole, so I passed on by.
2) I’ve also met Rick Fairless and he is a class act all the way from what I have seen and know. Haven’t done any business with him yet but I would in a heartbeat. He is a businessman first and foremost, and for a businessman like myself, nothing could make me happier – I like dealing with businessmen.
97 Ronny Dec 12th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Funny that the numbers they stated (not verified) in February 2011 were far from from $18 million.
Read this, but I think it is also BS numbers from the Alsop’s. Case study my ass. Failure.
http://www.cmtc.com/cmtc-case-studies/big-bear-choppers/
98 Ronny Dec 12th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
In the same article, also notice Kevin Alsop statement in February 2011. Complete BS. They went to borrow $100,000 more in April.
“”This program helped us put forth a more strategic action plan. These improvements allowed us to save jobs and promote growth.” Kevin Alsop, Owner Big Bear Choppers
99 Boss Hawg Dec 13th, 2011 at 8:33 am
What’s going on with the New Big Bear Choppers Perris shop located at 29511 State Highway 74, also known as Ortega Highway.
Did they move most of their Bog Bear Choppers equipment there and paint booths along with motorcycle inventory, too?
Boss Hawg
100 Boss Hawg Dec 13th, 2011 at 8:37 am
“A repair shop is essential because there’s a spike in riders fixing up the motorcycles they own,’’ said Mona Alsop. “This new location means motorcycles will get fixed up and on the road faster.”
Please give us an update on this facility Mona.
Boss Hawg
101 FrankenBagger Dec 13th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Why BOSS HAWG?
What is wrong with you people?
A friggin witch hunt is all this is, and a disgrace to our culture and our country.
Seems to me Kevin tried to make it work, even when the writing was on the wall.
I dont know where all the bikers went, but none of them are on this site.
GOOD RIDDANCE!
102 Boss Hawg Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:04 am
FrankenBagger…
Obviously you like to look at things with a blind eye and haven’t gotten to know the Alsops various choices of managing or maybe mismanaging some of their business activities in this industry. When you do, please let us all know.
Based on my readings and those of a majority of others, yes they should be hung out to dry by their toes and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law….
However, you may choose like others have stated herein along with Judy Bowers reports from the Big Bear Grizzly and send them a deposit or payment in full yourself ..Whaddayathink?
Therefore, do us a favor, STFU and move on! To quote you…Good Riddance!
Boss Hawg
103 Rich Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:05 am
FrankenBagger. It’s simple. clients of BBC are hunting for their bikes…or their money back.
104 Boss Hawg Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Hi Rich…
Thanks for making simple for FrankenBagger.
Boss Hawg
105 Snake Oil Salesman. Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:25 am
QUESTION:
Given the amount of bad publicity & obvious notoriety, why were there SO MANY people still putting in deposits, & worse, paying full amounts on BBC bikes? A month before this week was the last deposit? Anyone tell me why???
Second question: NOT to defend anyone, but do these customers bear (no pun) ANY responsibility to their impending financial loss?
106 Wolf Chop Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Apparently because it was promised to them to get their bikes very fast (before the ones ordered by other clients way before) if they paid in full in advance. It seems that non US buyers were also required to pay in full. Only BBC has responsibility for the loss of funds because these funds could not be used by BBC for other than building these bikes.
107 Ariel Dakin Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:55 am
It would appear to me that Boss Hawgs business is really slow, and he is hoping to benefit from someones loss. Hummmmm Isn’t that what everyone one is complaining about here?
Did YOU lose money Boss Hawg? Well then, you dont have a dog in this fight.
To the customers who sent 38,000 up front, AFTER hearing the news of BBC’s struggle. DUHHHH!!!
And to the people who are wondering when the money may be returned, I am sure any assets, if there are any, are frozen until this is resolved.
Also, if a dealer orders 5, 10, 20 bikes per contract, and those bikes built and paid for by BBC. Then these bikes are sent back to factory, isn’t that also similar?
In this economy any one of us could be next on the chopping block. Maybe think about that for a minute.
Evil breeds evil.
108 FrankenBagger Dec 13th, 2011 at 10:50 am
-BOSS HAWG-
If I wanted another bike, and was considering a BBC. I sure as hell would not send ANYONE a payment in full. LOL. I am sure I could find a really good deal on CL right about now.
You are an idiot. AND you have made a fool of yourself acting like a grade school hall monitor.
109 Woody Dec 13th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Shameful that folks would attempt to blame customers left out in the cold for the actions of the merchant that left them there. If any of you folks ever order something and get sent a brick then I guess it’s your own fault? Snakeoil asked, “Given the amount of bad publicity & obvious notoriety, why were there SO MANY people still putting in deposits, & worse, paying full amounts on BBC bikes?” and I would guess maybe it’s because there wasn’t neccesarily all that info out there for some folks to know. I’m sure it wasn’t mentioned on the Big Bear website and the company had been around long enough that some folks would possibly have though that indicated solvency. Apparently the Bloomberg show producers were not aware of the apparent “real situation” either?
110 Boss Hawg Dec 13th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Ariel Dakin…
You have no idea what I do and I would suggest you leave at that. I have a 7 figure retail business that is just fine and I am a licensed motorcycle manufacturer…nuff said for your obvious ignorance.
FrankenBagger…
See you are a man of your word…C Ya.
Boss Hawg
111 Ariel Dakin Dec 13th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
BOSS HAWG
And you have no idea what I do. NOW WHAT!
Your crap does not impress me.
112 Boss Hawg Dec 13th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Ariel…like others, you chose to write about me. And as expected, your previous posts to others are unwarranted and without merit.
I personally don’t give a rats ass what you do or write, but I do know that I have better things to do than respond to your frivolous conjectures…enjoy and write all you wish.
Boss Hawg
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113 Ariel Dakin Dec 13th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
No Boss, I choose to write about my opinion, just like the rest of the folks here.
However, bashing people when they are down is, and I quote you, “unwarranted and without merit”.
Funny you should mention conjectures…… perhaps you need to go back and read your posts.
Glad business is so good for you. Better hang on to your panties. EVERYONE in this industry is in for a hell of a bumpy ride. Bashing and kicking people when they are down will not improve the situation. Maybe you could be the bigger man, and offer some help to BBCs customers who feel left in the cold. HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THAT?
Kevin, Mona and their children are suffering now. Does that make anyone who lost money get that money back? It is just pathetic to me.
He tried to make things work. Sometimes no matter how hard you try the battle cant be won. AND on top of that, his “brothers” in the industry are out here stabbing his wife and kids in the back. Disgraceful.
Is anyone here even capable of walking a mile in another shoes? yeah…. didnt think so.
Merry Christmas all.
114 Knucklehead Dec 13th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Cyril, It may be as you have written. But then they just may have pushed the dream too far. I don’t take them as stupid. I believe they are smart enough to know not to push prison time. Or huge personal law suits. I’m sure they have a law firm for advise. I’d like to think anyways.
115 GetYoHeadOutofYoAss Dec 13th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Ariel,
I wonder how “sorry” or how much sympathy you would have for poor Kevin, Mona and family if Kevin and Mona had committed a bank robbery or worse yet they were some fat cat wall streeters? Not so much huh? In case you haven’t been paying attention here, these people have defrauded thousands upon thousands of dollars out of well intended customers. These people are thieves and liars just as much so as if they had robbed a bank. The only exception is that the bank robbers will have the balls to come full face forward into the bank and declare it is a robbery unlike these snakes. I have no doubt that the FBI Field Office in LA is looking at this matter with great glee!
Boss and everyone else, who have had the misfortune of being screwed by these snakes, stay on their ass and don’t let up! Today is the day that what goes around comes around!
There, now that is my opinion!
116 Bud Dec 13th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Boss Hawg, what’s the URL to your website so I can check out your bikes?
117 Rather be an Aussie Dec 13th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Ariel and some others can see past the bullshit. The rest of you are just haters. Anyone out there ever been bankrupt??? I have, and it was the hardest thing I ever did. Probably would of killed myself if I didn’t. Those of you picking on my wife ” Kevs Sista ” you can all fuck off. Don’t know Kevin that well, don’t even ride a chopper ( I have a Honda ) but you fuckers have no idea. I could say a lot more, I am angry.
118 Wolf Chop Dec 13th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Rather Be An Aussie. You say that you don’t know Kevin that well, don’t even ride a chopper. So, shut up.
119 Ariel Dakin Dec 13th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
@GetYoHeadOutofYoAss
You don’t know what I may have lost.
How do you know I am not a customer or a dealer?
I can see with my 2 eyes that Kevin tried to make this work to the bitter end. It was his dream, and a good one I might add. My Athena is the coolest, most well built custom bike I have ever owned.
I have EMPATHY for the man and his family. I FEEL his pain for this loss of his dream. I also feel for the people who have lost money, especially these days when there is so little money to be lost. But none of that is an excuse for the wickedness.
NONE OF US KNOW the whole story.
There were many circumstances that led to this end, and anyone in business knows how this can happen, or at least they should. It is like a house of cards.
Its the vicious, negativity that disturbs me so. (dead pigs in their front yard…come on) (colleagues kicking him when he is down)
If this is how people are going to handle it when the next bike builder falls, then we are all in trouble.
It really sucks, how this all went down, and maybe he should have gotten out sooner. I do applaud him for being tenacious and not just quitting, but he will pay the price for that decision, but it was HIS decision.
Attacking Kevin and his family is just UNAMERICAN and UNBIKER.
Where would we be if we were all gutless and unwilling to take a risk? This country was built by peoples ingenuity and brawn.
We have to stick together and pull ourselves out of the muck. Otherwise it is all a lost cause.
Perhaps there are some shops that could benefit from the displaced BBC customers. Maybe WE could turn this around a little instead of exasperating the B.S. Sounds like a win win to me.
120 PanMan Dec 13th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Even without the frame thing, I think they would have folded thanks to our capitalist country and the greed of a few.
121 The Supreme Team Dec 13th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
I think at this point, anybody still posting in reply other than their first post, has pretty much seen/read, all that can be said about BBC going out of business. Whether you “empathize” with them, hate them, give a rats ass about them…whatever…they’re gone, they’ve screwed some people, they’ve OBVIOUSLY pissed a lot of people off, and nobody cares either way, except that they should pay back folks that they’ve screwed and be prosecuted if they have not. Having a pissing contest between one another and trying to win the swinging dick contest by cutting another guy down isn’t going to fix BBC’s mess….doesn’t matter how you look at it, or which side you are on…they got what they deserved by not making smart moves.
The “supposed” sista and brotha…nobody cares what you think of anybody on here. It’s foolish to come on here and defend somebody who has obviously pushed the wrong buttons across the industry and has screwed common folks out of their hard earned money. Nobody’s calling Aussies bad folks…just Kevin…don’t take it too personal. Aussies are some of my best customers and awful nice people to deal with and bullshit with…but Kevin’s pissed off the wrong people and it was an easy stab…take it for what it’s worth and nothing more.
Again, nobody wants to see any honest, hard working company fail in this industry, but when you screw folks, everybody’s happy to see you go.
122 golfish Dec 13th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
@Boss Hawg, Sir, for a man who claims to have a “7 figure retail business” your kind of stepping out of your class arguing on a blog. I don’t know you and I’m not attacking you. It just seems to me that your better then this.
Call me what you want, I own a BBC, its a good running bike. I’m not a big fan of the way they handled the recall. I’m local to BBC, I don’t know anything about them closing the doors and screwing customers other then what I have read.
123 Branner Dec 13th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
PanMan: What the fuck are you talking about?
124 Chuy Dec 13th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Ariel Dakin, just curious what color is the sky in your world?
125 Ariel Dakin Dec 13th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
@Chuy
As long as its opposite the color in your world, I’m good.
126 Tom Chop Dec 13th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
I want to say one thing—that is Rick Fairless ia one top knotch guy. Our motorcycling industry would probably be on a much sounder footing if there were more around like him! More power to you Rick.
127 Billy Dec 13th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Having done business with Big Bear Choppers for a year or so, i think I can voice an accurate opinion about this lousy situation… it is simple, they are quilty of bilking, fraud, misrepresentation of funds, misappropriation of funds, as well as breach of contract and employing a ponzi scheme and using faulty parts… they now think they are going to hide under the guise of bankruptcy… not according to my lawyer…i dealt with them for a long time and Kevin and Mono had there employees lie to me everyday… Kevin and Mono spoke to me once in a year… then they lied to me to… no remorse about the situation, no apology… nothing….there customer service is non existent… they chose not to do customer builds long before they were going broke…. all in all it was the worst year of my life.. I walked away with nothing and i am glad it is over… i no longer have to live lie to lie…. i don’t see how they won’t go to jail except for the fact that people who break the law seem to know how to use it to their advantage… the only thing i have going for me is that there are just to many people out there with the same story and the same outcome…. by the way Boss Hawg… Big Bear never had a paint shop…. they had someone else do it… he is not only a really good painter, but he is a really good guy… Kevin stuck him to for about $20k to.. he also stuck a local Big Bear attorney for about $48k.. seems to have been his mo for a long time…
128 Chris Steele Dec 13th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Wow Ive been reading all these post ond others on other websites and it seems to have everyone taking sides. I own a 2007 prostreet sled 300 and a 2004 big dog mastiff. I love both my bikes and have had no problems. I read about the bad weld issue and went ahead with the purchase as i felt the problem had been fixed. All is good here but i do have to say that i feel its bad karma to take the money and run if that is indeed the case. I hope anyone who lost money with bbc gets it back even if Arien feels these people had it coming. I also hope that if they come back building bike that they have a better business sense about things. It sure is easy to get caught up in the limelight. I plan on riding my bike for quite a while and would recommend a bear to anyone.
129 BMF Dec 13th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
ok after watching this shit unfold I gotta speak up. I was I am sorry to say stupid enough to purchase a BBC. in february I paid cash and was also told 10-12 weeks around june Kevin and that worm mike forbes were sayin just another week which i knew was bullshit. needless to say I let them know I would be seein them personally soon. long story short after callin some of my brothers in cali I recieved bike soon after.10-12 weeks was 26 weeks. Kevins a liar forbes is a liar mona is a liar and with these 3 running a company it is amazing bbc lasted as long as it did. while my bike is actually the way i ordered and i do love it I feel for those who will never see anything from them. They knew all along what they were doing and it will come back to them
130 Boss Hawg Dec 13th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
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These agencies live for this kind of shit. Do the crime…serve the time.
Now it is up to you to get the pimples off the ass of the industry.
Boss Hawg
131 Boss Hawg Dec 13th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Jodie Foster’s estranged dad sentenced in scam
AP – Fri, Dec 9, 2011
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge has sentenced Jodie Foster’s estranged father to five years in a Los Angeles jail for bilking more than $100,000 from poor and elderly people in a home-building scheme.
The 89-year-old Foster was convicted of taking $5,000 each from people for whom he promised to build affordable homes made from cargo containers. The units were never built, and prosecutors said he lied to clients.
Does have any similarities to those of you that have been scammed and defrauded?
Boss Hawg
132 Boss Hawg Dec 13th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Mont. man gets 25 years prison for investment scam
AP – Tuesday, Dec13, 2011
RENO, Nev. (AP) — A Montana man convicted of running an investment scam on the Internet was sentenced Tuesday to 25 years in federal prison and ordered to pay $13.2 million in restitution to more than 1,400 investors.
U.S. District Judge Larry Hicks in Reno told Rick Young, 52, of Lewistown, that the fraud carried out by his Nevada-based Global One Group from 2006 to 2007 was “incredibly repulsive.”
Many of the victims, the judge said, were vulnerable, “middle-class working people taking money out of accounts, trading out of their 401(k) plans, their pension plans, even off of their credit cards.”
“Frankly, it was nothing more than a type of Ponzi scheme, but it was incredibly sophisticated,” he said. Judge Hicks said that he had to give Young credit for one thing — his “smooth” sales techniques on his webcasts. “It’s the court’s view the defendant obviously was impressed with his own skills in salesmanship that he could tell his story to the jury just as successfully,” he said.
He said Young may have begun with some good intentions but “got carried away” in a “snowball” of greed. “By the time it was at the bottom of the hill, he was so deeply mired in the fraud of these people that this court finds it, frankly, incredibly repulsive,” he said.
Does this one have any similarities to those of you that have been scammed and defrauded?
Boss Hawg
133 Jim Kreizinger Dec 13th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
I AM JUST AN AVERAGE JOE WORKING MAN, SOLD MY TWO BIKES IN ORDER TO GET MY DREAM BIKE ( BEAR BONES)I WAS TOLD BY MIKE FORBES, AND MIKE THE GREEK IN ORDER FOR ME TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING MY BIKE TOGETHER THEY NEEDED 10,000 DOLLARS FOR A DEPOSIT.I WIRED $10,000 ON 11/14/11, AND WAS IN CONTACT WITH BOTH MIKES WITH E-MAIL, AND PHONE CALLS ON MY BUILD WITH NO INDICATION OF ANY PROBLEMS,AND WAS TOLD I WOULD RECIEVE MY BUILD IN 3-4 MONTHS.THE PHONE CALLS AND E-MAILS ENDED 9 DAYS LATER (11/23/11, I WAS FINALLY IN CONTACT WITH THERE LAWYER AND WAS TOLD OF CHAPTER 7 FILING IN MID JAN.MY HEART DROPPED.$10,000 IS ALOT OF MONEY TO ME,AND ALL I WANT IS MY DEPOSIT BACK.BE A MAN KEVIN AND TAKE CARE OF US AVERAGE JOE’S FIRST.IF NOT IT WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU ALL, DO THE RIGHT THING AND TAKE CARE OF US WHO MADE YOUR BUSINESS. JIM kREIZINGER
134 Boss Hawg Dec 13th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
@ golfish
Thanks Brother. I am just real people, however, I am semi-retired with various business interests that afford me a quality of life above most others. I have lots and lots and lots of time on my hands and cannot think of two more deserving people that are overdue what is coming to them other than Kevin and Mona Alsop along with certain employees who have done these alleged injustices to other fellow brothers and motorcycle enthusiasts.
I am pleased you enjoy motorcycle. Obviously lots of others would to if their orders had been fulfilled as promised and funded.
I listed the Law Enforcement Agencies having jurisdiction above for those interested in where to go and who to contact if they have been defrauded .
Boss Hawg
135 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 12:02 am
@ Jim Kreizinger
YOU SHOULD NOT BE LISTENING THE BBC LAWYER…FYI if they are the same law firm, it is Mona’s family/brother!
You better contact those numbers I listed immediately above for the FBI, DOJ, and Local DA…IT IS CALLED WIRE FRAUD IN YOUR CASE!
Try to ensure you have secured collateral before it is distributed and lien everything possible with a judgement and FI FA including any patents, trademarks, registrations, model manes etc….
Good Luck Brother!
Boss Hawg
136 Scott k Dec 14th, 2011 at 12:39 am
Ok I ‘ve been reading Cyrils site from almost the beginning and i’ve never felt the need to post anything on here before but I just can’t resist this time! My question is simple and it is to you Ariel and that is when
all the dust settles and if it is found that Kevin and whoever else is guilty of fraud and a host of other things are you going to admit you were wrong and apoligise to to the people who were on this site with
all the negative comments that turned out to be true? Also to be fair I’ll put it out to all the “haters” as
well. My personal bet is that he is going to be guilty of more than just being a bad businessman because
a good businessman that has integrity knows when to close so that he does’nt screw everyone and
take them down with him .IMO
137 rob Dec 14th, 2011 at 12:52 am
With this many posts,i’m surprised that no one from BBC(or their counsel) has responded…………………..
138 Mike out Dec 14th, 2011 at 6:52 am
Boss Hawg
My hat goes off to you for all of the helpful information you’ve given. Just think a couple of months back Kevin was on this blog saying F the haters. Well Kev it seems YOU have ALOT. Your day will come in court, and your wife’s little brother won’t be able to help the both of you. It’s called EVIDENCE and the prosecutor is going to have a field day ( here in the United States of America it means fun ) with you both. Cutting your hair and trimmin the beard doesn’t work when you go before a judge. Scoot over Chip ( Midwest ) Kevins on his way to spend some time. You will get what you have coming to you, and it’s called JAIL TIME.
139 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Ah shucks…I left the local Sheriff out, but here it is:
Station Name: Big Bear Lake Sheriff Dept
Contact Name: Greg Garland or Shift Sergeant/Lieutenant
Contact Number: (909) 866-0100
Mailing Address: PO Box 2803 Big Bear Lake 92315
Physical Address 477 Summit Blvd, Big Bear Lake 92315 CA
Now they can tell you just exactly what’s going on up at Big Bear Lake if you are interested.
Boss Hawg
140 FrankenBagger Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:18 am
What a bunch of whining little girls. Guess you should have done your research before you sent your money out to the abyss. What fools. Now you cry?
Guess you should have paid your bills instead of trying to buy a mc that was way over your head.
Where I’m from snitches and cry babies end up in the river.
141 Chuck Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:24 am
A business failed. How is that fraud?
142 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:27 am
DARRYL J. HOROWITT #100898
LAURENCE Y. WONG #106495
COLEMAN & HOROWITT, LLP
Attorneys at Law
1880 Century Park East, Suite 1511
Los Angeles, California 90067
Telephone: (310) 203-3888
Facsimile: (310) 203-3870
E-Mail: dhorowitt@ch-law.com
lwong@ch-law.com
This firm knows BBC well and has secured a judgement against BBC. Call them.
Boss Hawg
143 Brescia Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:30 am
After reading the story of Jim Kreizinger whose $10,000 deposit for a bike were stolen, I want to make these remarks. 1. Jim wired money to BBC on November 14 for delivery of his bike 12 weeks later. BBC closed about 1 week later. What kind of businessman takes deposits 1 week before closing? The Alsop’s didn’t know they would close? Come on! 2. It will be interesting to know where the $10,000 went after being received on BBC account. Did the Alsop’s take out the money in cash, wire it to a personal bank account? In the US? Abroad? Same question for all deposits. How much the Alsop’s paid themselves at the time they were receiving deposits and not building these bikes? 3. The IRS could be involved, too both on the corporate and personal sides! 4. What kind of attorney talks to BBC’s clients to tell them in advance that he is going to file for chapter 7 about 6 weeks before it happens? What was his intention? To discourage scammed clients to do anything to get back their deposits? Telling them, too late you are out of luck? Now, I read above that their attorney is Mona’s brother! Sound suspicious to me. Should this attorney be investigated? 5- Who was the accountant, bookkeeper of BBC? How deposits were entered in the books if they were? Why wait at least 6 weeks to file for bankruptcy? To organize the removal/disparition of corporate assets that creditors could claim in compensation of their deposits? Everything sound strange to me,
144 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:34 am
Dated October 10, 2010
QUOTE ”
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that judgment be entered in favor of plaintiff, TEXTRON FINANCIAL CORPORATION,
and against defendants,
BIG BEAR AMERICAN MADE CHOPPERS, INC., KEVIN ALSOP, and MONA ALSOP,
jointly and severally,
in the principal sum of $792,504.66, interest at the rate of 10% per annum in the sum of $86,422.08, court costs in the sum of $846.25, and attorneys’ fees in the sum of $29,967.00, for a total judgment in the sum of $909,739.99, together with interest on the total judgment at the rate of 10% from the date of entry of judgment until judgment is paid in full.
Dated: October 14, 2010
JOSEPHINE STATON TUCKER .
HON. JOSEPHINE STATON TUCKER
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT JUDGE”
END QUOTE
Has TEXTRON been paid? WOW…that’s a lot of money!
Just saying, based on my readings it seems like almost immediately thereafter, January 2011, the alleged deposits for orders were not being fulfilled as has been stated herein and and on other blogs and media sources. Does anybody know if this is where their alleged financial issues started?
Boss Hawg
145 JERRY Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:38 am
HELLO EVERYONE,
I HAVE BEEN ON THIS WEBSITE AWHILE BACK…. IN DOING SO I TOLD MY STORY OF BEING TAKEN FOR $33,500.00 BY THE ALSOPS… I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHY DO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PART OF THIS SITUATION THINK THAT THE REST OF US WHO ARE PART OF THE SITUATION ARE JUST HATERS… DO YOU THINK IT IS RIGHT OF THE ALSOPS TO WILLFULLY TAKE MINE AND A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY KNOWING IN THEIR BLACK HEARTS THAT THEY NEVER INTENDED ON GIVING US ANYTHING FOR IT? FORGET MY STORY ON THIS SITE…. FORGET EVERYONE ELSE’S STORY… READ JIM KREIZINGERS … HE GAVE THE ALSOPS $10K AND THEY CLOSED THEIR DOORS JUST A FEW DAYS AFTER … JIM TO WAS GIVEN BROKEN PROMISES LIKE THE REST OF US… SO IF THE ALSOPS HAD INTENDED TO BUILD ANY BIKES OR REFUND ANY MONIES, WHY WOULD THEY TAKE JIM’S MONEY WHEN THEY KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO CLOSE THE DOORS JUST AFTER THEY HUNG UP THE PHONE…SO, WE ARE CALLED HATERS.. THAT IS A MYSTERY TO ME… I DON’T HEAR HATE…. JUST COLD HARD FACTS…. LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE, I DON’T THINK ANY OF US WILL SEE ANYTHING, BUT WE ALL DO HOPE THAT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM DOES IT’S JOB AND GETS THESE PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS… ALL OF US INVOLVED, AND I MEAN INVOLVED, NEED TO BAND TOGETHER…. THE COPS WILL FINALLY LISTEN… ONE LAST NOTE… THANKS TO BOSS HAWG FOR THE INFO…. HOWVER, YOU DO HAVE TO BEGIN WITH DETECTIVE MEREDITH OF BIG BEAR… HIS NUMBER IS 909 866 0100… YOU WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO LEAVE A MESSAGE ON HIS VOICE MAIL… IT STARTS THERE….. IT WILL BE A LONG PROCESS… BUT IN THE END JUSTICE SHOULD BE SERVED…. THE ONLY THING IS THIS, PEOPLE WHO BREAK THE LAW ALWAYS SEEM TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS AND ARE ABLE TO USE IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE THE REST OF US DON’T…. THE ALSOPS KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT. JER
146 Chuck Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:42 am
sounds like ppl were screwed. But before all facts are in, it also sounds like you are play judge and jury and executioner. This country has a thing called a fair trial. Alsops have rights too. Remember that.
147 Wolf Chop Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:46 am
How come BBC got a new $100,000 loan in April with an unpaid judgment of $792,000 in January??? They are very good business people at Big Bear Lake Small Business Administration. You just lost $100,000 at the expense of the taxpayers. What a shame!
148 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:55 am
@ JERRY
My apologies Brother…I feel for ya. I re-posted to make DETECTIVE MEREDITH’S # so as it can be clearly seen
CONTACT DETECTIVE MEREDITH OF BIG BEAR REGARDING ISSUES WITH BIG BEAR CHOPPERS AND KEVIN AND MONA ALSOP…
TELEPHONE DETECTIVE MEREDITH @ 909 866 0100…
At the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department and the city of Big Bear Lake
Boss Hawg
149 Chuck Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:02 am
The presumption of innocence, sometimes referred to by the Latin expression Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat, is the principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty. Application of this principle is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial, recognised in many nations. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused is to be acquitted.
150 Chuck Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
No where, other than this site, has mentioned ppl being “ripped off”
Not the Griz, not the county attorney.
Remember what country you live in. Hear say is all this is. Bullshit and hear say. Just because you haven’t received your bike on the date you expected it, does not mean you were ripped off.
THIS IS STILL THE USA.
151 JERRY Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:23 am
THIS WILL BE MY LAST COMMENT ABOUT THE BIG BEAR SITUATION…. I DID GET PART OF A BIKE…. ONLY AFTER MAKING ONE HECT OF A LOT OF NOISE….IT TOOK ME THREE TRIPS TO BIG BEAR IN 6 DAYS TO GET IT DONE, BUT I DID…. TOUGH ON A GUY 70 YEARS OLD WHO SAVED HIS MONEY FOR YEARS TO GET THE LAST BIKE HE WAS EVER GOING TO RIDE…I WAS SENT A PICTURE OF WHAT WAS THERE.. IT WAS A FRAME, A FRONT END , HANDLE BARS, A 124MOTOR, A COIL, A BAKER SIX SPEED, WHEELS , HAND CONTROLS, FORWARD CONTROLS AND THE BIKE WAS WIRED… WOW!!1 I CONSIDERED MYSELF LUCKY THAT I WAS GOING TO GET THAT…IT WAS TO BE ABOUT $20K OF MY $33, 565.00 INVESTMENT.. I TOLD KEVIN IF I GOT ALL THAT, I WAS WILLING TO FORGOT ABOUT THE REST OF MY INVESTMENT AND HE WOULD NEVER HEAR FROM ME AGAIN… I DID TELL HIM I WOULD NEED TO KNOW THE HAVE OF THE MAMES OF VENDORS FOR PARTS…HOWEVER, WHEN I GOT THERE, THE FRONT END WAS BROKEN, THE COIL WAS MISSING FROM THE 124, THE DRIVE PULLY HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BAKER, THE HAND CONTROLS WERE NOT COMPLETE… IT HAD DIFFERENT PEGS AND GRIPS THAN I HAD ORDERED,,, THE PRIMARY WAS GONE AND MY VERY EXPENSIVE CHROME WHEELS WERE GONE…PLUS I GOT NO LIST OF VENDORS TO GET THE REST OF THE PARTS….WHEN I CONFRONTED HIM ON IT I WAS TOLD BY KEVIN THAT THE ONLY REASON I WAS GETTING ANYTHING IS BECAUSE I WAS A WHACKO… ALL IN ALL I GOT BACK ABOUT $12K OF MY INVESTMENT….SO KEVIN THIS IS TO YOU.. YOU WEREN’T JUST HAPPY TO TAKE MOST OF MY MONEY, BUT YOU DID NOT GIVE ME THE PARTS THAT WERE IN THAT PICTURE… SO FOR THAT… I AM GOING BACK ON MY WORD, AS YOU DID SO MANY TIMES, AND I AM NOT GOING TO FORGET ABOUT THE WHOLE THING…SHOULD HAVE GIVEN ME THEN PARTS I WAS PROMISED… YOU STILL WOULD HAVE MADE ABOUT $$15K OFF OF ME… SO I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY WITH MAKING THE EXTRA $21 OFF OF ME… HOWEVER, I TOLD YOU I WAS CONNECTED… SO THAT EXRA $6K IS GOING TO COST YOU ALOT…. JER
152 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:25 am
@ Chuck….
Your posting sounds reasonable to me…
Maybe you want to assist with getting the alleged wrongdoings/defrauded information that people are posting on many websites and in newspapers investigated to assist the various Law Enforcement Agencies posted herein with their investigation…come on what do you say…wanna help or not?
Alternatively, maybe you are an attorney licensed to practice and would offer your services Pro-Bono to all of the alleged victims posting herein? Or is it a conflict of interest, Chuck?
Boss Hawg
153 Chuck Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Business is business. Kevin was not running his business according to your rules.
You stupid people are going to be sure he gets acquitted because he cant get a fair trial. Because you cant stop running your mouths.
Just about as stupid as sending 30,000.00 with out any research.
“CONNECTED” laughable is all I can say to that.
154 Chuck Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:31 am
I have yet to see anything solid to back up these accusations. Strictly hearsay is all I see.
Phoney names, fudged figures…..
The defense will have an easy win. And you people running your mouths will only have yourselves to blame.
155 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:37 am
@ Chuck…
First off you chime in quoting law and the constitution?
Then you flip on us quoting “Kevin was not running his business according to your rules.” Enlighten us all please….what rules are you writing about now or are Kevin’s rules law?
I think most writing here, with the exception of a few like you, are concerned with alleged Mail Fraud, alleged Wire Fraud and alleged Banking Fraud and just fraud in general.
Tell us your thoughts please….How would you feel if a company failed to produce what you paid for or paid deposits or paid in full….come on Chuck tell us how you would act and react please?
Boss Hawg
156 Chuck Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:38 am
@Hawg “Maybe you want to assist with getting the alleged wrongdoings/defrauded information that people are posting on many websites and in newspapers investigated to assist the various Law Enforcement Agencies posted herein with their investigation…come on what do you say…wanna help or not?”
Negative. You seem to be doing a decent job all on your own in that regard. You are helping us a lot. Please keep it up, and then these people will know to thank you personally, AFTER Kevin wins.
157 Wolf Chop Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:40 am
Accusations come from those who are victims. Don’t know how to read the comments above?
“Just because you haven’t received your bike on the date you expected it, does not mean you were ripped off.” Chuck, there is no expected date. You understand? Deposits are trust funds belonging to clients. They should not disappear when the bike is not built and completed. Understand the law?
158 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:43 am
@ Chuck…
You say I am quote “helping us a lot.”
I must ask are you indeed Big Bear Choppers attorney/representative or Mona and Kevin’s attorney or an investigator?
Please define “helping us a lot”
Boss Hawg
159 Chuck Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:45 am
That is not YOUR concern, now is it.
160 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:53 am
@ Chuck,
If I have posted something quote “slanderous and a deformation of character” as you say, please point it out to me.
And Chuck, Let it be known that I will be the first to publicly apologize to any and all here and hereby retract any statements posted that I have read and re-posted that are non-factual.
Boss Hawg
161 Chuck Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:08 am
After the damage has been done? Somehow I think that just won’t work.
THIS IS STILL THE USA
162 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Apologies and retractions are never to late if a mistake has been made.
Boss Hawg
163 GetYoHeadOutofYoAss Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:47 am
I would suggest that anyone who believes they have been wronged by the Alsop’s should contact EACH of the law enforcement agencies that Boss has listed above and provide said agencies with whatever statements and/or evidence they may have to those agencies. Then let law enforcement sort out whether a crime or crimes has/have been perpetrated by the Alsop’s. Until someone formally files a complaint this issue may never be resolved and the” he said – she said” will continue.
164 Who is this guy? Dec 14th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Sounds to me like Chuck is that idiot that “hears” the accident outside, then goes running out to tell the police he “saw everything”.
Chuck, go back to bed. You’re an idiot, you can’t spell, and the quotes from the legal websites can be cut and paste off a 3 second google search.
“You stupid people are going to be sure he gets acquitted because he cant get a fair trial. Because you cant stop running your mouths.
Just about as stupid as sending 30,000.00 with out any research.”
Sounds pretty professional. Actually sounds as if you have nothing better to do, or you may be partially retarded, and you’re probably sitting in front of your PC with a Pabst and a donut, trying to sound cool and informed..
Had you any understanding of the law, a blog could not determine fraud one way or another and would have no bearing upon the outcome of a case unless Kevin or Mona were directly involved in correspondence on the blog.
Now go back to your Pabst and get those crumbs off of your gut before you put your Affliction shirt on , cool guy.
165 Jim kreizinger Dec 14th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Thanks for all your Advise folks, I am going to follow up with the law, and hopefully get some or all of my deposit back, lets all get together on this, Thanks again for your info Boss.People like you are alot of help for the regular people who can’t afford an Attorney. Jim Kreizinger.
166 Larry Dec 14th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Wish I did some research before getting a used 07 bbc sled w 4k miles. Anyone know where I can get parts for it? I’m looking for a replacement license plate frame.
167 1550tc Dec 14th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
the industry went for shit in 07-08 and guys in 2011 are still wiring guys $$$ for bikes WTF
and get sucked in by the 3-4 months to build a bike that can be assembled in 72 hours or less??
i have FULL empathy for all these people/buyers but “Com on MAN” its 2011 we have the net & web and places like this ……do your research
i hate to say it but but on most days and 9 out of ten times a harley is the best and cheapest way to enjoy a motorcycle
BBC was all smoke and mirrors from day 1 ……….selling basic 10k CCi kit bikes for 15 k as their own kit bikes
when your as neurotic as they were about people fucking them over you just know they were fucking people over all along
past behaviour is always a good indicator of future behavior
168 tejasandre Dec 14th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
try ebay, that’s where i find my ironhorse parts
169 CafeSportyTC Dec 14th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
I think another poster’s comments were correct in saying that the failure of the troublemakers in the industry will hurt at first but will only make the industry stronger in the end. If the Alsops are as horrible as everyone says they are then i hope the book is thrown at them …. and then picked up again to beat the livinig hell out of them. If it isnt the case though then they should have realized that their dealing toward the end look REALLY shady…. stupidity at its finest… but people under stress do stupid things…
170 ChopperKulture Dec 14th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Another flash in the pan! And from what I hear they owe S&S 60K….not good!
171 Jeff Nicklus Dec 14th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
1550tc …… if you can build a bike in 72 hours I need to hire you! Damn, you have been watching too much OCC!
Over & Out,
Jeff
172 Jim Kreizinger Dec 14th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
F.Y.I. for anyone else besides myself that was scammed by, B.B.C. contact Det.Meridith of S.B. Sherriff Office, They are meeting with the D.A. Thursday 12/15/11.Tel.#909-866-0100
173 JERRY Dec 14th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
HEY JIM,
THAT’S GOOD NEWS… IF THE DETECTIVE IS MEETING WITH THE D.A.. IT MAY MEAN HE HAS SOMETHING TO GO AFTER THEM FOR…. JUST SO YOU KNOW, ABOUT 70 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SCAMMED… I AM ONE OF THE FOUR THAT HAS LOST OVER $115K BETWEEN US…. MINE STARTED ALL THE WAY BACK IN JANUARY….. THE OTHERS PROBLEMS STARTED IN APRIL AND MAY…I DID CALL DETECTIVE MEREDITH THIS MORNING AND TOLD HIM ABOUT YOUR SITUATION….. I THINK HE ALREADY KNEW THOUGH….I FILED A REPORT WITH HIM ABOUT A MONTH AGO… I GUESS HE HAS SO MANY COMPLAINTS NOW THAT SOMETHING IS FINALLY BEING DONE….ALL IN ALL I THINK YOU HAVE THE BEST CRIMINAL CASE AGAINST THEM BECAUSE THEY TOOK YOUR MONEY JUST WHEN THE CLOSED THE DOOR…MEANING THEY REALLY HAD NO INTENSION OF GIVING YOU A BIKE… I WAS UP THERE AT THE TIME THEY WERE CLOSING THE DOORS AND MONA AND THREE OTHER GUYS WERE LOADING A TRUCK… THEY CLOSED THEIR DOORS THE WEEK BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND THEY LET THE ENTIRE STAFF GO AT THAT TIME… IF YOU GAVE YOUR ORDER TO KEVIN THAT WOULD BE GREAT…. HE WILL HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE ACT… IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF YOU GOT YOUR MONEY BACK BECAUSE OF THAT, SO HE CAN PROTECT HIS OWN HIDE….. BUT I THINK YOU WILL BE JUST ABOUT THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES GET THEIR MONEY BACK…. GOOD LUCK… KEEP ME POSTED AND I WILL DO THE SAME FOR YOU…. JER
174 Jim Kreizinger Dec 14th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Thanks Jerry,Will keep you posted,You do the same, Good luck Bro. Jim
175 WOW Dec 14th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
I’ve read everything posted about this to date and feel for the good hard working folks that may never see their money! I’ve worked in the industry for over 15 years, I’ve personally dealt with both Kevin and Mona in my roles within the industry. The most interaction came in the form of working for a distirbutor that handled some parts and their bike kits (I’m sure you can figure out who it was), I can personally tell you these two people deserve everything they get, to this day I have NEVER met anyone quite like them. Unfortunately the person we had dealing with them was so enamored with Kevin that we were upside down on the deal the whole time. Kevin even went as far as trying to get a good friend of mine fired over a minor dispute. I have ZERO doubt in my mind they intended to take the money and run. I’m sure they still live in their house paid for with “dirty” money and have no remorse for any of it. It is not about anything other than the two of them being low lifes (I’m being nice here) jail would be to nice for them!
Boss Hawg stay with it you are doing the right thing I believe you KNOW what I KNOW.
Later
176 Boss Hawg Dec 14th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
@ Jim Kreizinger
Please keep us posted. It would be great if they nail these folks to the cross like Mid-West Choppers owner Chip Miyler who was found guilty for virtually the same things stated herein. Still serving his time and bets all he has restitution to pay to those he scammed when released.
Pass this to the DA http://www.galesburg.com/news/x702314403/Ex-motorcycle-shop-owner-pleads-guilty
Hoepfully you and Jerry point the good Detective and the District Attorneys office at Chips Case for reference.
WOW
Yes I know lots….had my run ins with some here several years ago and really believe what goes around comes around.
Boss Hawg
177 golfish Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
anybody notice that their website is backup
178 Scully Dec 14th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
I have a Venom prostreet and have been reading this site for a couple of days now.Just was wandering about the propriety parts, tanks, fenders,ect., who out there has any stock builtup. I was wanting to get an extra teardrop tank before all this came down. EBAY hardly ever has any BBC parts. Any help, Thankx
179 Shorty Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
I was going to buy a Big Bear chopper before I read all this…I live In Canada and i was thinking of buying the bike..Im glad someone sent me this link before I sent anyone money.
180 Jim Kreizinger Dec 14th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
http://sturgis.com/content/index.php/bblogs/entry/blabb/rage-choppersisnt-that-a-big-bear-model.html
181 Jim Kreizinger Dec 14th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Clink on link I left above. Jim
182 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 12:26 am
JIm,
You need to pass that on to the Detective and the DA.
Boss Hawg
183 1550tc Dec 15th, 2011 at 12:41 am
Jeff most of their bikes were assembled cookie cutter, all parts on shelves bikes ……..72 hrs is NEARLY 2 WEEKS 0r 8 1/2, 8 hr working days to put a bike together………those BBC kit bikes were 90% image 10% substance
Jeff dig out a 2002?? CCI catalogue and look up one of their Bike in A Box bikes, and tell me you cant assemble one of these like the one on this link, in 72 hours ……..shoot it rattle can flat black if your in a hurry lol
http://www.whistlestopchoppers.com/thunder_horse_custom.htm
Build to me is lots of custom one off fabrication, like your hi $$$$ bikes……….i’ll cut them some slack for custom paint.
Boss Hawg
in the winter posing a sno boarder Big Bear Lake is a great to be on the witness protection plan…….trying to hide as a ex auzzzie bike builder isnt so good an idea, so i doubt these 2 are up there
184 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 4:42 am
I am a 18 yr Army Veteran stationed in Germany. I bought my 2011 Bare Bones Chopper last April and was promised 6-8 weeks. Then July, August, Sept/Oct then Dec/Jan time frame. At first the website said for a new Bare Bones Chopper ready to ride was $21,500, being a prior customer I got a $1,000 discount. A few weeks after I received my invoice paid in full from Rick Pratt, Attitude Customs our of Bend Or, I was told that Mike at BBC said I need to send another $7,000 because the prices changed, I raised hell and in the end Mike said they will suck up the cost but if I plan on ordering anymore it would cost me $7,000 more. After month to month emails and phone calls (which I saved all emails) I was promised in the end a 2012 instead of a 2011. I was promised free black powder coated wheels and a pointed rear fender at no extra cost. I WANT JUSTICE!!!!
185 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:25 am
@ James Crawford….
Please tell us in detail what you finally ended up with and if it is what you agreed to buy?
Plus…If your purchase order or contract terms and conditions were breached (price, agreed delivery date,etc…) or changed by the seller then don’t you think that you should contact Detective Meridith of San Bernardino Sherriff’s Office and the the District Attorney since the are said to be MEETING TODAY 12/15/11.Tel.#909-866-0100.
There are other applicable Law Enforcement Agency contacts listed above, too, if they you need!
Boss Hawg
186 JERRY Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:56 am
BOSS HAWG …. YOUR ARE THE GREATEST… HAVE WE MET?…..WOW!!! THE HORROR STORIES JUST KEEP COMING OUT…. I AM SITTING HERE LAUGHING AT MYSELF FOR BEING SUCH A DUMMY…. ALTHOUGH IT IS FAR FROM A LAUGHING MATTER…..SOME BUSINESS MAN I AM!!!! FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH… ALL OF YOU GOOD FOLKS ARE MAKING ME FEEL BETTER….DON’T KNOW WHY… MAYBE MISERY DOES LOVE COMPANY…JER
187 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Looks like “Who Is This Guy” just may have posted a real good read on on that poser called Chuck…less! Seems all that is missing is a weather report…LMFAO
Ey did you loose money also or did you get your bike like promised?
Red, White and Blue all the way here!
Oh yeah Billy Bear, too!
Boss Hawg
188 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Jerry
No I can’t so unless you frequent rallies here in the SE.
Jerry did you check with the Better Business Bureau also? Maybe you should get their read?
Hope you and the others that have alleged to have been defrauded royally, fry their mountain oysters up good
Boss Hawg
189 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Better Business Bureau has Big Bear Choppers with an “F” Rating…are you surprised?
Read it for yourself
http://www.la.bbb.org/business-reviews/New-Motorcycle-and-Motor-Scooter-Dealers/Big-Bear-Choppers-in-Big-Bear-Lake-CA-13199951
Big Bear Choppers (909) 878-4340 P.O. Box 1741, Big Bear Lake, CA 92315 http://www.bigbearchoppers.com/
THIS BUSINESS IS NOT BBB ACCREDITED
BBB Accreditation was revoked because business failed to honor its accreditation agreement with BBB
Failure to respond to 2 complaint(s) filed against business
3 complaint(s) filed against business that were not resolved
8 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 2 closed in last 12 months
Complaint Type Total Closed Complaints
- Advertising / Sales Issues 1
- Billing / Collection Issues 0
- Problems with Product / Service 2
- Delivery Issues 1
- Guarantee / Warranty Issues 4
Total Closed Complaints 8
Additional Complaint Information. Our complaint history for this company shows that the company responded to and gave proper consideration to most complaints. However, some complaints are unresolved meaning the company failed to properly address the complaint allegations or their response was inadequate.
As Gomer Pile USMC would say “surprise, surprise surprise”….NOT
BBB Rating is F
Boss Hawg
Boss Hawg
190 JERRY Dec 15th, 2011 at 9:54 am
HEY BOSS HAWG… I DID CHECK THE BBB OUT AND SAW THE “F” RATING.. BUT YOU WON’T BELIEVE THIS.. I CHECKED THEM OUT AFTER I GAVE THEM THE MONEY… I’M A GENIUS!!!! … THAT’S ALL FOLKS… NO MORE TIME TO WRITE TO YOU ALL… I HAVE LESS IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO….
JER
191 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 11:24 am
@Boss Hawg I didn’t get my bike, only promise after promise, I didn’t find this out until last night!
192 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 11:37 am
@James Crawford
You need to contact those Law Enforcement Agencies as posted above, especially
Detective Meridith of San Bernardino Sherriff’s Office and the the District Attorney since the are said to be MEETING TODAY 12/15/11.Tel.#909-866-0100.
San Bernardino County District Attorney’s Office
316 N Mt View Ave
San Bernardino, CA 92415-0004
Telephone: 909-387-8309
Email: da@sbcda.org
Here are the others one more time:
To All Those Who Have Been Defrauded. These Law Enforcement Agencies Are Waiting To Hear From You NOW!
FBI Los Angeles
11000 Wilshire Boulevard
Suite 1700
Los Angeles, CA 90024
Phone: (310) 477-6565
Fax: (310 996-3359
Hours
Although we operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, our business hours are from 8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday, by appointment only. If you need to speak to an FBI representative at any time other than during normal business hours, please telephone our office at (310) 477-6565.
United States Department of Justice
The United States Attorney’s Office
Central District of California
Criminal Division
312 North Spring Street
Los Angeles, California 90012
Assistant United States Attorney Robert Dugdale
(213) 894-4685
These agencies live for this kind of shit. Do the crime…serve the time. Now it is up to you to get the pimples off the ass of the industry.
Boss Hawg
193 Jim Kreizinger Dec 15th, 2011 at 11:54 am
You can also call F.B.I. RIVERSIDE office @ 951-686-0335, Jim
194 Sam Dec 15th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Lightinin Larry,
I read your story a few years ago regarding the neck of your BBC. I have one as well (07′ Pro street Venom) that I build. I too live in San Jose..
Did the neck just snap off?? was there any indication that it was failing? I’m guessing you were on the 87 when this happened, that freeway is a POS… I stay from it at ALL costs.
-Sam
195 Grey Beard Dec 15th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
A little something for your viewing pleasure.
http://rides.webshots.com/album/562805643awHMAQ
196 Who is this guy? Dec 15th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Boss,
Just posting under a pseudonym because I don’t need to get involved personally. I’m on this blog a few times under my regular name…LOL. I just felt like calling a dumbsh*t a dumbsh*t.
Guess people don’t like being pegged for what they are. That or he shrunk his Affliction shirt down to another size like most of ‘em and got stuck trying to get it off.
197 The Supreme Team Dec 15th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
I’m gonna go out on a limb and put $5 bucks on this ending up as the longest running comments on any of Cyril’s posts, because I’m sure I will still be able to read up on this one well into next summer.
Man it’s getting thick in here. If I were Kevin and Mona (which I am thankfully not, because I do not lack scruples), I would ‘fess up, come clean, and figure out how to make good on these people’s deposits. At the least…admit the failure with these people. You can lie to yourself and the banks all you want about the business failing…shit happens, but for God’s sake you took from people that liked YOUR product enough to buy one of YOUR bikes. People put their hard earned money down to buy something that YOU made appealling enough for them to believe it was worth THEIR MONEY.
When and where do you get off letting those people down and STEALING from perfect strangers? The term con-man comes to mind, except you had the ability to produce product for those people, but instead outright lied and took their money anyway.
It doesn’t mean the laws going to go any easier on you, but if there is any sort of recompense, perhaps the effort will serve you well when the gavel falls.
198 bobberbuilder Dec 15th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Karma can be a bitch. Two words I am sure Mona is familiar with.
199 Keith Stone & Kiki Dec 15th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
************ http://rides.webshots.com/album/562805643awHMAQ ******************
HOLY……………………………………. hope your OK……… We all hope your OK with no bodily injuries…………………
What did someone use to weld that? A flux core 50A welder ? What Da’ heck ?
200 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Holy Shit…and all these shitsticks on here still go to bat for them.
Boss Hawg
201 Jim Kreizinger Dec 15th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Just got off the phone with Kevin Alsop, Told him I want my 10,000 dollar deposit back, and he told me of course he has no money,but would give me a Bear Bones frame & Tins.I told him that is’nt worth $10,00 grand,and he refered me to his Attorny,Mr. David Phillipson in Big Bear Ca.I said ,”Man To Man do the right thing”,and give me my deposit back,He again said I can only give you the frame & Tins.I also said I will pursue thru Law Enforcement if i have to,He said do what you gotta due mate.Should I settle with Frame& Tins, and cut my losses? Jim
202 Grey Beard Dec 15th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Keith Stone & Kiki
The link I posted isn’t one of my bikes, I found it a while back and kept it bookmarked.
Kinda brings it into reality about welds failing on a scooter.
203 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Jim Kreizinger
Those frame’s and tins as you call them are not worth $10,000, plus that is not what you mutually agreed to buy.
Prosecute for material breach of contract. You agreed to purchase by putting $10K down and they Big Bear Choppers mutually agreed to produce by accepting your money.
Very simple. Prosecute for everything you can Brother.
Boss Hawg
204 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
@ Boss Hawg, the lawyer number you posted, the women on the phone didn’t really listen to anything I was saying, only fake pretending and interupting me about how I was going to pay them for lawyer fees from Germany, and had no clue about any kind of judgement against BBC and didn’t have a clue who BBC was. Thanks
205 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2010/01/22/breaking-news-former-mid-west-choppers-owner-chip-miyler-to-spend-3-12-years-in-prison/
206 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
James ,
Typical receptionist without knowledge. Their firm is listed in the judgement, but you do have to pay attorneys retainers in most all cases such as this one.
Maybe some others can refer you to a good one here.
Good Luck
Boss Hawg
207 Keith Stone & Kiki Dec 15th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Grey Beard,
Good to know you are OK… Whomever owned this machine should be on this BLOG and reading the phone numbers, Etc to contact the appropriate people…. Scary and crazy…
I read CYRILS blog everyday and have read every post. Ive been hearing things in the ‘grapevine’ for years in the business. But I guess I was always hopeful that was just BS rumors… Evidently by reading this post, 95% of this garbage is true….. Really a bad deal. I wish the best to all the honest people that so far got screwed…
Anyone see there big-rig ? That kinda sticks out and hard to hide.. That’s gotta be $300-$500K right there..
This whole deal is F’ed up…….
208 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
@ Boss Hawg and all of you, I just called Mona Alsop and she answered very nice and sweet, she said Hello who is this, I said Mona this is James Crawford I have a question for you, and she hung up!!!
Mona 951 295 9711
209 Lightnin'Larry Dec 15th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
ToGray Beard and Keith Stone & Kiki,
That is my bike you’re looking at and that occurred back in August of 2007. Yes I sued BBC and WON! I also contacted the NHTSA back then and that’s why BBC was forced to recall 1152 bikes due to weld problems on the frame. The recall was a joke and out of the 1152 bikes in the recall there are 900 that still need the repairs done that will never get them done now as BBC is out of business.
If you look at some earlier posts by some jerk named Ariel Dakin you will see one of the things that Kevin was falsely telling people to try and divert attention away from the piss poor frame preparation and welding on those frames. They said I was pulling wheelies with the bike and that’s what caused the neck to break off. I have never done a wheelie on any bike I have ever owned. That was just smoke and mirrors on BBC’s part to try and cover their asses but my certified failure analysis and BBC’s own in house failure analysis said something very different which when delivered to the NHTSA is what prompted them to force BBC to do the recall.
I came within a hairs width of getting killed that day and it’s only by a total miracle that I didn’t get killed so I’m a bit sensitive when some asshole like Ariel Dakin tries and to spew that BS around again. I have always said and it still stands that if anyone wants to see that frame up close and personal and see the failure report just let me know and you are welcome to stop on by and see it for yourself and make up your own mind.
The lies and intimidation that BBC pulled to try and make me and others who had welding issues look like the bad guys was really far below the belt and showed what kind of people that Kevin, Mona and others at BBC really were and are. It’s absolutely no surprise to me what so many here have said as to getting ripped off by these two swindlers. The put on a pretty good front and keep the truth as hidden as possible but ultimately the truth came out and the true bad guys were revealed and their underhanded selfish plans. Hope they both burn in hell for all eternity for what they have done to honest hard working folks and the black eye they have given this industry!
LL
210 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
James Crawford
Some folks like her in the south are called “Come see U Next Tuesdays”.
Facebook is the only place they can control damages because they can block you.
Lightening Larry…get the BBC gang to come over from Club Chopper and voice their sentiments here to please.
Boss Hawg
211 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
I am shocked, since I paid full for my bike back in April 17, 2011, this was the first time I ever spoke to either Mona or Kevin on the phone, the number for Kevin on the old blog is the town police office but the one for Mona is her real number, by her voice she didn’t seem nervous about anything she was real joyful on the phone until I told her who I was then she hung up. At least they know my name who they screwed out of fucking $21,000
212 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
@ Lightning Larry, sorry to hear about your acident bro, im sure there is a lot of selfish people out there that blame your lawsuit for them not getting there bikes, but I owned a 2005 Venom Chopper and bought it in 2007, I never got any word there was a recall until after I sold it to a guy here in Germany and he found out about it after I sold it to him, I felt bad and gave him a 1,000 euros back, I didn’t have too but the old man was like 63 and I didn’t want him to think I was pulling a fast one on him.
213 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
You know I am so angry right now, I just found out about this bankrupt shit last night, I was really expecting my bike to be picked up and shipped by Christmas, I can’t believe this little extra money I made for spending 39 months total in Iraq on the Streets over the last years, away from my family and friends, fighting on the streets for people like Kevin and Mona Alsop….the little I saved up was for my bike that they took from me, but I tell you this, Mike Forbes is the one I am really pissed about. He was never straight with me, he knew long before and the last email I got from him was this. THis was November 8, 2011 Message body
Hi James,
Thanks for the understanding.
At the time of the order we had every intention of completing your bike in our normal time frame. Unfortunately, we were hit hard by the economy and other factors that forced us to downsize our operations which has added to our build times. We’re behind on all our builds. We will complete your bike very soon and we appreciate your support and interest in our bikes.
Thanks again!!!!
MIchael
214 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
And here is another one from Mike Forbes
RE: Bare Bones Chopper
FROM: Michael (Big Bear Choppers)
TO: ‘james crawford’
CC: ‘Rick Pratt’
‘Gareth Cuthbertson’
Message flagged
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:31 PM
Message body
Hi James,
I know you’re anxious about your bike. We appreciate your patience. As you know it take us about 12 – 14 weeks to build the bike once we receive the deposit. Your order is about 10 weeks old.
Shortly after you ordered your bike we were forced to downsize our operations to insure we survived the economic downturn. This has made our build time longer for everyone who has ordered a bike from BBC.. We’re proceeding as fast as we can with your build. Your bike was actually moved to the front of the production schedule and was placed in front of other builds that are older orders than yours to meet your deadline . We’re still looking at about 3- 4 weeks to finish your build. We will do everything we can to get it done faster. Feel free to call me if you want to discuss the bike.
Thanks
Michael Forbes
Sales & Dealer Development
Big Bear Choppers
909 878 4340 ext 112
michael@bigbearchoppers.com
215 Gman Dec 15th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
@james. Please dont bring micheal into the conversation. He was merely doing what he was told and had no part in the eventual demise of BBC. His job function was merely as a order taker, and as of late damage control, the latter of which was being manipulated solely by kevin. I know for a fact he feels awful for what happened as well as the issues BBC has been facing for the past 3 years. To him it was a job. He has responsibilities like anyone else. He tried to find new career avenues multiple times over the past year to no avail. If it were up to him he wouldve been gone two years ago and he wouldnt of had to go through the situation. With that said I understand your frustration. I respect you for serving our country and I hope the situation will be resolved to some degree for all those effected by this unfotunate event.
216 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
@Gman, I have no respect for him, me as a Soldier and a leader, for some time now. If your Boss tells you to shoot someone that is innocent or not guilty who’s fault is it. Micheal knew for sometime now that I wasn’t going to receive the bike, and he know on November 8th when I got the last email from him that I was being screwed. He could have told me many months ago, but failed. He knew “the Alsops” were breaking the law and was wrong. I have no Pity for him now. He might be your best friend, as I have a few friends that are locked away as well for doing wrong. I blame Michael more for not being a man to me and being straight with me. Keep in mind there Gman, I have over 100 emails and long conversations with them, I have had many talks with Michael Forbes, now I know it is overall Kevin and Mona’s fault, and tonight when I called Mona for the first time and gave her my name she knew exactly who I was. I hope they all get 25 yrs, and Kevin gets treated like a girl in the show OZ
217 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
I am not afraid to use my real name here feel free to look me up on Facebook!!
218 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Or how about this Gman, if Micheal Forbes feels so bad, why hasn’t he sent me a email or called me to express it. That’s right, he knew all along, and I hope he is the first one that goes away, and yes, with all my emails with him, I think your friend Micheal Forbes is not getting off that easy.
219 Lightnin'Larry Dec 15th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Hey Boss,
Posted the link to this page over at Club Chopper several days ago. Most already know about it and some have commented here.
LL
220 Gman Dec 15th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Not quite sure what that means James. Lots of James Crawfords on facebook also cant sift through all of them.
221 The Supreme Team Dec 15th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
To be VERY clear…a friend of mine was at Cook’s Corner in So. Cal, checking out a yellow BBC a year and a half ago, when he noticed the frame crack at the neck. He went in and found the owner of the bike, who then called a tow truck to take his bike home for fear something would happen on his way home.
My friend is not in the industry and had no knowledge of this issue…simply mentioned it in passing the next time we went to Cook’s together, with a “last time I was here”….
Can’t imagine the guy was doing wheelies on it, but then again, build your product worth a shit and you don’t have to worry about that right?
222 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
@Gman James Crawford, jtcdnc@yahoo.com, from Goldsboro NC, I live in Schraudenbach Germany if that helps to find me on facebook Picture is bald guy with sunglasses
223 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Damn maybe Kevin is coming over here to set up shop???? There are like 4 new BBC Dealers in Germany, what made me really sick was I talked to a dude that wanted a Bare Bones Chopper, he called Midland and they had one sitting in inventory, they shipped it to Munich and he has had his new Bare Bones Chopper now for 6 months. Here is 1 of the links, for those that can’t figure out German, just look at the Showcase and gallery but Kevin is on the front page check it out.
http://bobos-motorcycles.de/motorr%C3%A4der-und-mehr/big-bear-choppers/
224 Rider Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
I think it is a unfortunate situation, people got screwed and those that screwed are for now walking away. But for all of you to rehash the same thing and make derogatory comments about each other when everyone involved got screwed, seems counter productive. Everyone should band together and maybe a class action lawsuit would be possible. just a thought.
225 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Shit German price for a Bare Bones Chopper is at today’s rate $41,500 (30800 euros ) on their homepage maybe they packed up everything and shipped to one of the Dealers here in Germany??? They ship bikes and parts over here so they could have easily done it without anyone knowing and waiting for the storm to settle, skip Country and they already have shops set up in Germany and the UK Midland?? I mean I was charged $21,000 for my Bare Bones that I never got and then they changed the price for the same bike $28,500 but in Germany they are selling a Bare Bones for $41,500????
226 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
a BBC GTX on here is going for 45800, Euros = $61,000 I think I know now where they shipped all there stuff too and planning to start fresh
227 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Check out the prices in Euros on Midlandhttp://issuu.com/bigbearchoppers.ch/docs/bigbearchoppers.ch
228 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
and Midland BBC is in Switzerland and all these prices are in Euros People
229 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
@Gman
Since you “know for a fact” that Michael Forbes “feels awful for what happened” maybe you should drive him over to Detective Meridith’s at the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Office and to the District Attorneys Office to discuss ALL THE WRONGDOINGS he knowingly and willing participated in and help manipulate first hand.
Sounds to me like he should seek immunity for states evidence and repent with the Lord Jesus Christ, especially for knowingly shafting our men in uniform. Hell Judy Bowers at the Big Bear Grizzly Newspaper would love to hear from Michael Forbes as much as Cyril Huze here would too. Big Bear Grizzly should have a real good article out on the 21st…Maybe she won’t mention Michael Forbes if he calls her?
Come on get yourselves clean and SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS.
Semper Fidelis
RED, WHITE AND BLUE
Boss Hawg
230 James Crawford Dec 15th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
@Boss, I called and they switched me over and told me since I am stationed in Germany and I bought the bike over the phone, that the crime was commited in Germany and I told them I bought the bike from Attitude Customs and they sent the money to BBC, she said I have to notify the German Police, so I got tired of talking and hung up. However, I have around 100 emails from Micheal Forbes mostly if you need them.
231 Jim Kreizinger Dec 15th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
just an update,After talking to Kevin Alsop today with him asking me to settle with a Bare bones frame & Tins, and not to give my $10,000 deposit back that I sent to First Mt. bank on the 14th,I informed him I would contact the Law if he will not return my deposit. Mr. Alsop said “do what you got to do”.Well I did.For anyone involved with this CRIME,contact F.B.I” white collar crime unit” like I did tI also contacted The Grizzly Newspaper, #909-866-3456 today, and tell them your story,they need more stories like mine.Riverside Ca.F,B,I, office # is 951-686-0335.S.B.C.Sherriff Det. meridith’s #909-866-0100.Thanks again Boss Hog, and god Bless,Jim Kreizinger(760-485-9437)Lets all band together, and get Justice.
232 Will Espinosa Dec 15th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Just read the story and most of the comments. Somebody should give the Grizzly Bear newspaper a link to Cyril’s article. I am certain that reading the comments the journalist will have a true measure of what the alsop’s are all about. Shame on BBC.
233 Bill Dec 15th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
To all abused by BBC do everything legally possible to obtain restitution and have justice done.
234 Boss Hawg Dec 15th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
FOLKS…..There You Are….Jim Kreizinger Put It On The Line For You Now:
For anyone involved with this CRIME, contact:
CONTACT F.B.I. WHITE COLLAR CRIME UNIT at the RIVERSIDE, CA FBI OFFICE 951-686-0335.
CONTACT BIG BEAR GRIZZLY NEWSPAPER….JUDY BOWERS 909-866-3456, EXT. 137 or EMAIL JUDY BOWERS at “jbowers.grizzly@gmail.com” I spoke with Judy today….Please CALL HER AND TELL YOUR STORY…THEY WANT MORE LIKE Jim Kreizinger’s
CONTACT SAN BERNARDINO SHERIFF’s DETECTIVE MERIDITH at 909-866-0100
“Jim Kreizinger (760-485-9437)…Lets all band together, and get Justice.”
RED, WHITE AND BLUE
Boss Hawg
To My Dear Friend Here When He Reads This>
Gov Perry is looking better but he is toasted and roasted…I do think the Tea Partiers are behind “Nuke Em Newt” !
235 Grey Beard Dec 16th, 2011 at 3:39 am
Lightnin Larry
Good to know your still with us and that you won your case.
I noticed the pix in webshots of your bike when you or somebody else posted them a while back, either here or another site. After I posted that link to your pix here, I kinda wondered if this was yours.
I’ve been welding since the 70′s, and the first thing I looked at in your pix was the welds. How in the Hell can they say there wasn’t anything wrong with the welds ?!?!?! Who ever welded your bike, had NO fucking clue what they were doing. It’s all chicken shit, no penetration, also I noticed there was no gusset on the neck and backbone. That area is critical, its a stress point, it gets alot of pressure just riding down the road, especially them long bikes. Tomany guys think if they have a prettty bead, it’s a good weld.
Like I told my nephew when he started welding, Always remember, whatever you weld, someones health or life depends on it.
236 James Crawford Dec 16th, 2011 at 10:31 am
You know as much as I’m pissed off right now of being screwed out of my money, there is no bike out there I would rather have than the Bare Bones Chopper, I haven’t slept in a few days over this shit and I only dream like someone like Jesse James bails them out at the last minute and saves the day and all of our money!!! I have owned 7 Harleys, and 1 2005 Big Bear Venom Chopper over the years, and my favorite Harley was my 2001 Night Train with my upgraded big tire!!
237 The Supreme Team Dec 16th, 2011 at 10:39 am
@greybeard,
Looked at your link…Rage choppers? With tons of BBC stuff on their bike? Coming from Buck Lovell, at least you can trust the source.
Guess it may be a great idea for folks involved to know about Rage Choppers in Riverside. Sounds like a continuation company of sorts. Wonder whose name’s on the lease?
Again…not really my concern if they go out of business, but if you start taking money from other folks, let your company fold under radar, while beginning to move your stuff to another location as an “employee”…AT LEAST BE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO DO A PRESS RELEASE. I may be just speculating with seeing your link, but it seems to me a verification with the assessor’s office or the bank for that matter (should have an itemized list of equipment) could verify if any machinery had made its way over there.
238 James Crawford Dec 16th, 2011 at 11:08 am
You know I am very pissed I got screwed out of my money but the Bare Bones Chopper was the best bike I ever seen, and it really pisses me off that I never got mine and got screwed out of $21,000. I am still wishing this is all a dream or at the last minute Jesse James or someone is going to bail them out and save the day. I have owned 7 Harley Davidsons over the years and a 2005 Big Bear Venom Chopper, and if this fails, I believe I am done with bikes unless someone else out there makes a very very similiar bike to the Bare Bones. I really can’t believe noone out there could bail them out at the last min, or buy the patients from them to bail them out of screwing us all out of our Money. I haven’t slept for 3 nights over this shit and having chest pains over all of this. I wish to God I didn’t sell my 2008 Night Rod Special to send Big Bear my money.
239 James Crawford Dec 16th, 2011 at 11:24 am
This is insane, I will show up, ask for a test ride and give them my fucking invoice Paid in full for my Bare Bones that he stole this money and drive off, let the cops pull me over!!! http://sturgis.com/content/index.php/bblogs/entry/blabb/rage-choppersisnt-that-a-big-bear-model.html
240 James Crawford Dec 16th, 2011 at 11:33 am
You know what I really hope Kevin Alsop don’t go to jail and works at this place, I know where to find him now in the future!!!!
241 Boss Hawg Dec 16th, 2011 at 11:44 am
WOW….Watch this BBC Bloomberg video..
It’s a little over a minute and in complete contrast to what is being told here by those that have lost their money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r5Ogw-oOW4
Maybe all those with problems will tell us their story.
Boss Hawg
242 B. Long Dec 16th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Any idea how to go about holding BBC [proprietors] accountable for their warranties? I have accrued about $800 in work due to malfunctions from the fuel injection to the O2 sensor, to towing for both.
243 Boss Hawg Dec 16th, 2011 at 11:49 am
@ James Crawford
You can’t get emotional, at least not on here because others will tell.
Watch the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r5Ogw-oOW4 and tell Cyril Huze’s Blog viewers what has happened to you in chronological order and then send it to the LEA as referenced herein…take a few moments when you write it please and be brief…let others like you expand on your story and how you feel about your money that you feel you have been robbed of.
Boss Hawg
244 Lightnin`Larry Dec 16th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Hey Gray Beard,
Yeah, the pics were posted by an acquaintance of mine. He got the pics off of the Club Chopper thread back in 2008. Hell yeah I’m glad I’m still alive too!!!
The total lack of weld penetration is blatantly obvious to anyone that knows anything about welding whatsoever. Also notice that they did not bevel the tube ends as is required to get a full penetration weld on heavy wall tubing especially when using TIG, which is not a deep penetrating weld. The weld was so cold that even the paper-thin edges of the cope were not melted. One of the engineers at the company that did the failure analysis told me that JB Weld would have been better! Yet despite all the evidence BBC continued to deny it was their welds and lack of tube preparation that was at fault and they did so right up till the end and continued to lie about and never came clean! One guy on Club Chopper who started out not believing the welds were actually bad had an x-ray done and he became a believer right quick. The x-ray technician told him to call a tow truck to pick it up and not ride it because he feared it could break at any moment! He posted that x-ray over at Club Chopper and man did that ever cause the disbelievers to change their tune!
They really handled the recall badly too pushing it off on their dealers and not offering enough money per bike to properly repair them. Lots of folks could not find anyone that would do the recall for what BBC was willing to pay. At last count 900 of the 1152 bikes on the recall list were still in need of the recall. BBC really screwed a lot of people in the recall and seems that they just kept on screwing their customers right up till they shut the doors!
LL
245 Boss Hawg Dec 16th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Lightening Larry
Does the National Highway Safety Traffic Administration know that the Big Bear Choppers Recall was not completed?
Boss Hawg
246 John Kerr Dec 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
This is really a sad day for people who put so much faith into BBC, me included. I received about 90% of the Venom Chopper kit that I ordered after paying upfront and waiting 14 months. I should count my blessings compared to guys like Jim K. who got totally screwed. There is a lot of anger and frustration on this site and most of it is justified. For those who partially blame the unsuspecting customer, that is total crap. When I ordered my chopper kit back in August of 2010, after Sturgis, BBC had a great reputation on the street as far as I could tell and the best BBB (Better Business Bureau) rating that they give. I checked before I bought my kit. They had been in business for a long time and I heard mostly great things about them from customers who had bought their bikes. I was unaware of the problems with the recall, my bad and I feel for Lightin’ Larry and what he had to go through.
For those who want to blame Australia for this, that is ridiculous! Most Aussies are great people and there are bad apples among all of us. For Kevin’s family, STFU! This has nothing to do with you and obviously you don’t understand just how badly Kevin handled this whole situation. This has literally ruined people’s lives and not even a word from him on how he was planning on handling this? That is below low class and totally unacceptable. To those who want to blame everyone at BBC, I understand your frustration but I think most of BBCs employees were hanging on for dear life themselves hoping things would turn around. They got screwed also and did not receive their paychecks for several months before the whole charade came crashing down. The important thing here is for all who have been screwed is to come together and make sure justice is served. I don’t know all the circumstances but I do know that a lot of customers did not receive what they paid for and Kevin did not have the decency to talk to each and every customer about what was going on and his plan to make it right. His silence is very damning and I hope he gets what he deserves. For the rest of you that are not directly involved, I suggest, like Boss Hawg has been doing, that you try and help the best you can those who have been screwed with information and advice. For you bike builders, I appreciate that some of you have volunteered to help us finish our dreams. That shows total class.
I would suggest that anyone that has been defrauded to make sure you contact Dectective Meredith at the Sheriff’s Dept (909 866 0100) That is the most important thing all of us can do. Stick together and make sure that justice is served.
247 Boss Hawg Dec 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
@ John Kerr
Well said Brother!
Keep in mind 2 more numbers though.
CONTACT F.B.I. WHITE COLLAR CRIME UNIT at the RIVERSIDE, CA FBI OFFICE 951-686-0335.
CONTACT BIG BEAR GRIZZLY NEWSPAPER….JUDY BOWERS 909-866-3456, EXT. 137 or EMAIL JUDY BOWERS at “jbowers.grizzly@gmail.com” I spoke with Judy today….Please CALL HER AND TELL YOUR STORY…THEY WANT MORE LIKE Jim Kreizinger’s
Boss Hawg
248 Lightnin`Larry Dec 16th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Hey Boss,
I doubt that the NHTSA is aware that BBC is now defunct. BBC was required to submit quarterly updates on the progress of the recall but the last one that was submitted was for the 2nd quarter of 2011 and the 3rd quarter report is now 2 months overdue. Somehow I don’t think the NHTSA will be getting any more quarterly reports from BBC on the recall.
LL
249 Boss Hawg Dec 16th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Lightening Larry,
Based on my readings, it seems to me that Big Bear Choppers may have violated some Federal Laws if that is the case and clearly has no regard for the US Government’s vehicle manufacturing requirements nor cares about the safety of others whatsoever by having 900 units awaiting repairs.
If I were a Big Bear Choppers buyer or potential buyer I would take heed to the actions and inactions stated herein by others in the know.
Wonder if the FBI is looking at that also?
Boss Hawg
250 Jim Kreizinger Dec 16th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Just got off the phone with Riverside office of F.B.I. WHITE COLLAR CRIME DIVISION(951-686-0335), AND THEY NEED TO HERE MORE STORIES TO GET INVOLVED, SO CALL THEM.tHEY WONT GIVE ME A SPECIFIC AGENT NAME, BUT JUST ASK TO TALK W/ITH W.C.C.DIV.ALSO IT WAS GREAT TO HERE FROM YOU ALL THAT CALLED ME.THANKS DIANNE, JERRY, AND JOHN. Jim Kreizinger(760-485-9437)
251 Mad Jack Dec 16th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
What now if he has joined a major outlaw club?
252 golfish Dec 16th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
@ Boss Hawg, we have seen these recall bikes for sale on CL and Ebay going back to 08…to me, it doesn’t seem the NHTSA cares very much. They give their rating and are done with it.
253 Chris Steele Dec 16th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
you talk of these recalls Can someone please tell me any information on the 07 pro street sled? i bought mine in july of this year and i did call bbc and they said no worries but im inclined to think differently Thanks for any info you can give
254 Luvmyshuv Dec 16th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Last I heard, he was prospecting for the HA’s
255 FYI Dec 16th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
CHRIS STEELE, http://motorcyclerecall.com/-BIG-BEAR-CHOPPERS-SLED-PROSTREET/85
256 1550tc Dec 16th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
255 Comments
congrats to kevin and mona theyare the chumps errrr i mean champs
Boss Hawg what should be buy them for winning the most comments award?
257 Lightnin'Larry Dec 16th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
1550tc,
How about an extended vacation for 10 to 15 years at Club Fed!
LL
258 James Crawford Dec 16th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Ok before I try to sleep tonight people, and it’s 03:17am my time, if Kevin really sets up shop somewhere as a silent partner, we all need to unite like this Wallstreet shit and stand outside the place until he is done again!!!
259 Chris Steele Dec 16th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
FYI Thanks for the info Seems my bear is ok but i did see a new one on my 04 big dig mastiff Thank you again
260 John Kerr Dec 16th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
I called the FBI Riverside office today (951 686 0335) and talked with the agent in charge of the White Collar Crime Division. He was very helpful, took my name and info. and said he needed to hear from everyone that has had trouble with BBC. The investigation is still with the Sheriff’s Dept in Big Bear (Ray Meredith 909 866 0100) until it is transferred over after they feel there is enough evidence to warrant the FBI getting involved. It is up to all of us to make this happen, particularly to those who have lost their life savings and dreams to Kevin Alsop. Even though my loses were not as great as many of you, I will be glad to be as helpful as I can in resolving the fraud that was brought upon all of us. Please feel free to contact me.
808 870 7729
261 Boss Hawg Dec 16th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
1550tc and Lightening Larry,
Lets start with the man or shall we say boy of the house…fresh shave and a very cheap sweet smelling bar of soap to drop with a months supply of alum douche …. LMFAO
As for the Come see U Next Tuesday….well she will deserve a nice set of unpolished forward controls to act as stirrups for her trip to the Mexican lesbian pen at the donkey show.
However, we are open to suggestions.
Boss Hawg
262 1550tc Dec 16th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
Mexican lesbian pen at the donkey show………..put the reeefer down OK, where is that in Tijuana?
Boss Hawg no wonder you and Jeff get along
For all we know their probably trying to get on the sons of anarchy with their new notoriety!
263 Boss Hawg Dec 17th, 2011 at 12:12 am
Juarez or Boys Town
Have to get those boys that make some parts in El Paso to verify.
Boss Hawg
264 RUB Dec 17th, 2011 at 5:56 am
Boss Hawg , if they go on the lam , ya think Mona will lose the weave ?
265 FYI Dec 17th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Chris Steele, you are welcome. I’m no Boss Hawg,but i do what i can when i can.
Boss Hawg, even though I have lost no money to these two I just want to say Kudo’s to you for all the help, and information you have put out there.
266 Boss Hawg Dec 17th, 2011 at 8:52 am
RUB
No one will go on the lam, but the weave may just disappear…wink wink
FYI
Thank you..
I sincerely hope all the Big Bear Choppers customers that allege, herein and elsewhere, to have been ripped off and screwed out of their money by Big Bear Choppers, their Mona and Kevin Alsop and employees that may have been involved and screwed to, get ALL their money back with interest an send these two off to Club Fed or another appropriate penal colony for that matter for a very long time and that the government takes everything.
Based on allegations herein and elsewhere by several others, there seems to be quite clearly stated MULTIPLE Alleged Uni-Lateral Materiel Breaches of many MUTUALLY AGREED Bi-Lateral Sales Agreements Contracts/Purchase Orders/Invoices (Albeit verbal [verbal contracts are legal when there has been a meeting of the minds and funds exchanged] or in writing).
Hopefully those that have lost prevail, but they must band together and work as a cohesive unit and team…be persistent …call ALL Law Enforcement Agencies Especially Detective Meridith and District Attorney for San Bernardino County, and the FBI White Collar Crime in Riverside.
Call Judy Bowers at the Big Bear Grizzly and most importantly here, email Cyril with the facts.
Here are the Telephone Numbers again for the last time from me:
REFERENCE BIG BEAR CHOPPERS….MONO and KEVIN ALSOP
CONTACT SAN BERNARDINO SHERIFF’s DETECTIVE MERIDITH at 909-866-0100
San Bernardino County District Attorney’s Bureau of Investigation Mike Smith
Chief Investigator 909-387-8309 Email: da@sbcda.org
CONTACT UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS Assistant United States Attorney Robert Dugdale
(213) 894-4685
CONTACT F.B.I. WHITE COLLAR CRIME UNIT at the RIVERSIDE, CA FBI OFFICE 951-686-0335.
CONTACT BIG BEAR GRIZZLY NEWSPAPER….JUDY BOWERS 909-866-3456, EXT. 137 or EMAIL JUDY BOWERS at “jbowers.grizzly@gmail.com” I spoke with Judy today….Please CALL HER AND TELL YOUR STORY…She has a new article hitting the paper Dec 21st.
And, of course, Tell Cyril Huze your story.
Call, write or go online with the Better Business Bureau also since there some that will look there for a rating. Complaint Form Link: http://www.la.bbb.org/ComplaintDetail.aspx?CompanyID=13199951
GOODLUCK TO ALL
RED WHIT & BLUE FOREVER
SEMPER FIDELIS and Billy Beer!
Boss Hawg
267 Rider Dec 17th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Here is the BBB rating site for all to see the “F”
http://www.la.bbb.org/business-reviews/New-Motorcycle-and-Motor-Scooter-Dealers/Big-Bear-Choppers-in-Big-Bear-Lake-CA-13199951
http://www.bigbeargrizzly.net/news/article_88dc8f06-2093-11e1-a85b-001871e3ce6c.html
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