tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-56736538616672266682024-03-05T16:45:26.860-08:00Bikers Of America, Know Your Rights!Philip (aka Screwdriver) Heneghan, Bikers of lesser Tolerance, of Ca. And the West Coast Representative of B.A.D (Bikers Against Discrimination) Bill Kennedy of Kennedys Custom Cycles Just 2 Bikers, who have said Enough is Enough.If You Have A Topic,Or A Burning Desire, E-Mail Screwdriver at Countermeasures Division strokerz383@gmail.com Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comBlogger22130125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-72252465578023295482021-05-14T00:30:00.006-07:002021-05-18T10:01:10.248-07:0010 Reasons Why You Should Get Naked More Often<p> OFF THE WIRE</p><div class="_5pbx userContent _3ds9 _3576" data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-testid="post_message" id="js_4">10 Reasons Why You Should Get Naked More Often<br />Health Lifestyle<br />Getting naked is often thought of as an act that should only be reserved for sex—and even then some get squirmy! Many people are more comfortable believing that the more clothes you are wearing the better. However, getting naked more often can have great benefits for you. Here are 10 great reasons to get naked more often:<br />1. It burns more fat.<br />Your body’s main supply of brown adipose tissue (BAT), or good fat cells, are located around your shoulder blades and neck. When your body is exposed to the elements and is cooler, the BAT proliferates and essentially kills the white adipose tissue, aka bad fat cells. So, not wearing any clothes helps promote this and makes you healthier.<br />2. You’ll become comfortable with who you are.<br />Self-acceptance is hard to come by today. Ask anyone you know and see if they are happy with themselves. Chances are they will say they are too fat, not pretty, and find all of the flaws that they can. In reality, others do not see this. They see that you are beautiful. When you begin to get naked, you learn to appreciate your body and realize how beautiful you really are.<br />3. It saves you money.<br />Being naked more often saves on buying new clothing since you are wearing nothing a lot of the time. Be careful when you are in public, though—you may have to put on some clothes!<br />4. It increases your immune system.<br />Being naked and getting exposure to the sun’s rays actually increases your body’s vitamin D levels. Vitamin D is directly related to your immune system. When you have optimal levels of vitamin D, your body’s immune system is impeccable, and you will be better equipped to ward off viruses, including the common cold and flu. So go lay outside naked on your private balcony or in your yard.<br />5. It makes you face your fears head on.<br />People cringe today when you mention the words “get naked.” They are so afraid of it—and today’s children are so ingrained with this—that they must wear layer upon layer to deal with their body image. However, when you are naked, you face your fears of body image and self-acceptance, experiencing some of the best moments of your life.<br />6. You will feel better in your clothes.<br />When you do wear clothes (because not everyone has yet accepted being naked in public), you will start to choose clothing that accentuates the parts of your body that you love. You will begin to notice that maybe that muumuu does not flatter your beautiful curves and start wearing clothes that you love.<br />7. You will embrace vulnerability.<br />When you put yourself out there, it is a natural reaction to have fear and worry. However, this is an opportunity to embrace being vulnerable. It allows you to think and get down to the core of what really matters and what is of importance to you. When you strip away all of the excess, you are 100% you and willing to take on anything that comes your way.<br />8. You will show the world the real you.<br />Today, we have many ways of altering our appearance from our true body image when we wear clothing. Some people alter their image so much that they fear getting naked with the person they love. It seems crazy that this could even happen; however, the rise in use of breast-enhancing bras and Spanx products has put this idea into people’s minds. This all goes back to being comfortable with your true body image. If a person really does love you, then they should not love you based upon your image. If they do, then you may even decide that the ever-so-uncomfortable leggings that go up above your waist to hold in all of the imperfections may not be worth it after all.<br />9. You will have fun.<br />Well, this could go in all sorts of directions. But when you are comfortable with your naked body and see it as being flattering, then life is more fun. You start realizing that you are beautiful and are willing to do more things that you probably would not have done otherwise—with and without your clothes on.<br />10. You can have sex with the lights on.<br />Many people are self-conscious about the way they look and decide that the less lighting the better when they have sex. It’s nothing new. If you survey your best friends, you will probably come to this conclusion too. They may say that it even gets awkward during sex because they are more concerned with what their partner thinks of their body than just having and enjoying amazing sex. When you love the way you look naked, you will also want to have your partner see you at your best.<br />What are you waiting for? Start spending more time in the buff today and begin to change the way you think about your body.</div>Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-46313859300215174792021-05-14T00:30:00.005-07:002021-05-14T00:30:00.545-07:00Babe of the Day<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7bpJW6e2PQpcGVEeGacOvec7v-PVAENySq_yBM7L1_Iy4MA22kiuiZcCv6TuB4swX_ymLct36ps50EMVJNfhcnyUQpLKn0WoufpEiTw6xzUhZxhsTz2KvasklDL3Q1CB7Js3rKN7qItcJ/s712/954887_340741116062161_1179325015_n.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="712" data-original-width="480" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi7bpJW6e2PQpcGVEeGacOvec7v-PVAENySq_yBM7L1_Iy4MA22kiuiZcCv6TuB4swX_ymLct36ps50EMVJNfhcnyUQpLKn0WoufpEiTw6xzUhZxhsTz2KvasklDL3Q1CB7Js3rKN7qItcJ/w432-h640/954887_340741116062161_1179325015_n.jpg" width="432" /></a></div><br /><p></p>Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-34738642872353070032021-05-12T00:30:00.001-07:002021-05-12T15:41:01.802-07:00Read This Before Joining A Motorcycle ClubOFF THE WIRE<br />
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Joining a motorcycle club isn't something you do because you're bored! It takes commitment and dedication - lots of it!</div>
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You have probably watched multiple Motorcycle Club TV shows like <em style="box-sizing: inherit;">Sons of Anarchy</em>, and you feel like, yeah, it is about time I tried this life. It is one thing to fantasize about a <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/heres-what-motorcycle-club-members-do-to-their-bikes/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">motorcycle club life</a>, and it is another thing to live it. What you see on TV shows is totally different from what really happens in real life Motorcycle Clubs – the most challenging part is becoming a member. Being a motorcycle enthusiast is a big plus. Knowing your way around <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/the-best-cruiser-bikes-money-can-buy-in-2020/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">cruisers and massive road beasts</a>, and being able to install some good sound on your ride without vising a mechanic is another big bonus.</div>
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But that is not all; what you need to ask yourself is, do I have what it takes to last the test of time. One fact with MCs is that once you're in, the door slams shut behind you – there is no way out. So, before you jump in with all the excitement, read this—a few things you probably need to know before joining a motorcycle club.</div>
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Joining a motorcycle club is not like getting hired in some high-end company with a fancy corner office; you do not send an application. If you had drafted one, burn it before someone sees it. What you need to do is to identify a full patch MC member and get to know him. The best way is to look for a member in your own locality, within your area of residence or where you hang out. This way, you can be considered.</div>
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Becoming a motorcycle club full member is not a walk in the park. You must prove yourself worthy dying for. You can wait for months, and even years before you receive the patch. And there is no guarantee that you will ever receive it. You can either quit all by yourself or be sent away by the club.</div>
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During your time of waiting, you are in a club, but you are basically on your own. If you get in trouble whether through the club or by yourself, you will work your way out, the members cannot come into your rescue. Do you still want to join?</div>
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Are you ready to learn a new language? And hey, it is not Chinese or Arabic, you can manage if you are committed. Motorcycle clubs have their unique way of communicating with each other – a code that is unique to every club. There is also the general biker club language like 1%, which refers to clubs that are less concerned with following the law, and there are the 99% clubs that apply to the “good citizens” biker clubs.</div>
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There are the hand signals they use while on the road and many secret codes of communication. Unless you want to be smiling in discussions while others are conversing and laughing, you must learn the MCs language.</div>
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For motorcycle clubs to keep moving and conducting their activities, there must be an account that can cough out cash when needed. One of the ways for MCs to raise money is through member contributions. And there is no joke in this. You must pay your dues when they are due. And not just member contribution, there are other ways of getting money out of members.</div>
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You must obey all the rules of the club because when you break one, you are not given a warning; you must cough out some more cash as a penalty. You can even be fined for not riding with the club for a certain period – if your bike breaks down, you must have it fixed real soon.</div>
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Joining a motorcycle club is not getting a job in some executive cleaning company where you get your uniform on your first day at work. Motorcycle club attires are a point of pride, for you to get one you must have proved yourself by going through all the stages, and have been voted in by the existing members.</div>
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This is not a written-down rule, but everyone with eyes that see can tell that many motorcycle clubs are not all-inclusive. It is quite rare to find a Latino in white man MC or a white man in an <a href="https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/63410/oaklands-first-all-black-all-harley-biker-club" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">African-American motorcycle club</a>.</div>
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There are MCs that, in the recent past, have tried to include all ethnicities in their clubs, but it still not easy – you have to know your origin while you are looking to join a motorcycle club.</div>
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To make it to the last stage of becoming a full-patch MC member, you must be a man of your word. Motorcycle clubs are built on the foundation of honor and respect, and you must live by that code.</div>
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Once you start the process of joining an MC, you must know that you have met a new family – loyalty if what will keep you there. And during your wait time, you will get a lot of opportunities to prove your integrity.</div>
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If your goal of joining an MC is to meet some hot ladies, you might just have to look for another hood to hang out. Motorcycle clubs are no-go zones for women. They can build their own <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-usas-female-motorcycle-clubs/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">women MCs</a> or hangout with male motorcycle clubs, but that is as far as they can go. When it comes to the serious business of the club, women are not allowed. This is true for 99% of the prominent MCs.</div>
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You might not even ever get another chance to come close to an MC if you try to go with your scooter. If you really want to see your motorcycle club dream come true, at least start with the right foot – get a motorcycle, a cruiser that other members will feel proud riding alongside you. Get a <a href="https://www.productreview.com.au/c/cruiser-bikes/b/harley-davidson" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">Harley-Davidson</a>!</div>
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You must know the difference between a riding club and a motorcycle club. Motorcycle clubs are much more committed to what they do as compared to riding clubs. In an MC, you are more of pledging your allegiance than your time.</div>
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We can simply say that riding clubs consist of people who love motorcycles and want to expand their riding hobbies. If you are afraid of commitment, you better look for a riding club, a motorcycle club might not be your thing.</div>
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Sources: Ceoworld Magazine, Coverhound, Harley liberty, Weirdomatic, military times</div>
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Most biker clubs promise a lifetime of brotherhood and a place to be, no matter who you are and what you may have done...if you follow their rules!</div>
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When you think badass motorcycle clubs, <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/10-things-outlaw-motorcycle-clubs-dont-want-you-to-know-5-things-theyre-proud-of/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">it's only the outlaw motorcycle clubs</a> that come to mind, the ones that don’t follow the rules and regulations of the AMA (American Motorcycle Association). These motorcycle clubs not only live by their own rules and regulations, but they also follow their diktats pretty strictly, and any rule-breaking can lead to even long-time members getting evicted.</div>
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<a href="https://www.hotcars.com/15-rules-motorcycle-club-members-need-to-follow/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">The rules</a>, mostly, are never fair, but that doesn’t stop the MC’s enforcers from making sure that they are followed to the tee. For an outlaw motorcycle club, the club is usually priority number one, and members are expected to adhere to rules, even if they go against the law. Then again, they do promise a lifetime of brotherhood, and a place to be, no matter who you are and what you may have done.</div>
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Want in? Look at the 10 most badass motorcycle clubs and their most important rules before you try to become part of one…</div>
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<a href="https://www.hotcars.com/15-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-pagans-motorcycle-club/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">The Pagan’s MC was formed in the 50s</a>, but by the time it exited the ‘60s, it had become a largely shady organization that dealt in things that skimmed the law, and sometimes, broke the law outright. Today, they are one of the largest outlaw MCs in the US and considered a threat by law enforcement. Their one unbreakable rule: pets, as in women who are with many of the MC members, cannot be married to any of the members. These women are not considered “high” enough in stature to be wives.</div>
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The Vagos MC isn’t an outlaw club afraid of the law, or afraid of breaking it. According to law enforcement agencies, the Vagos earn money by smuggling illicit substances across both sides of the Mexican-US border. A few of the members were accused of trying to set traps for police officers in California. This made the Vagos MC file a defamation suit and even win it. The club remains a priority for all members, but what the members do away from the club business remains their business, period.</div>
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<a href="https://www.hotcars.com/15-cool-vintage-photos-of-the-bandidos-motorcycle-club/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">The Bandidos Motorcycle Club calls itself</a>, along with all of its chapters and members, national or international, the Bandido Nation. So all the members, who have pledged to a chapter, first have to sign their motorcycle over to the club. The wheels now belong to the club. Also, if a member of any chapter is around any Bandido event, even of another chapter, he has to be a part of it. This holds especially true if it’s a funeral of one of the MC’s members.</div>
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Call it an unspoken rule, but one of <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/15-flattering-facts-about-the-hells-angels-motorcycle-club/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">the most popular outlaw MCs, the Hells Angels</a>, often take the help of the law when in need, even if they skirt the periphery of it. And while some of the members may indulge in stuff that is less than savory and is probably breaking the law as well, a lot of what the club does for the business is above the law. So when the Hell’s Angel's name or patch is used without permission, as they did in the movie <em style="box-sizing: inherit;">Wild Hogs</em>, Hell’s Angels goes to court and files a lawsuit. And then wins them all as well.</div>
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Unlike many one-percenters that give other MCs and their territories a wide berth, <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/15-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-outlaws-motorcycle-club/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">the Outlaws MC works in the opposite direction</a>. They are always on an expansion drive, so much so that they actively pick up fights with smaller MCs and decimate them with threats and takeovers. The smaller MC members have the option of joining the Outlaws MC or simply slinking away to nothingness. Along with this, they also defend their territories in virulent and violent ways, and this is their most important rule. Territories have to be won and protected.</div>
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<a href="https://www.hotcars.com/14-little-known-facts-about-the-grim-reapers-motorcycle-club/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">The Grim Reapers MC is another outlaw motorcycle club</a> with very strict rules in place, especially when it comes to joining the club. When a rookie wants to join the motorcycle club, there are two major requirements he needs. One is that his motorcycle needs to be a Harley Davidson, and the second is that he needs to be white. The members have to be all male, and all these requirements for new members were made public in 1981 when the rules were published in a small newspaper in Evansville.</div>
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The Mongols MC, it is said, was formed because the Hispanic hopefuls who wanted into the Hells Angels MC were denied membership because they weren’t lily-white. And not only did they form an MC separate from Hells Angels but they also took Southern California away from HAMC, and established themselves in this territory, firmly. And their motto or rule is simple, never back down in a fight. And such is their fighting prowess that even the Hells Angels have given up their rights to the territory.</div>
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<a href="https://www.hotcars.com/15-vintage-pics-of-the-iron-horsemen-motorcycle-club/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">The Iron Horsemen Motorcycle Club may not be as big an outlaw club</a> as the rest, but their claim to fame is just about as violent, if not more when it comes to crossing the legalities. Much like the other outlaw MCs, their members have been involved in all kinds of illicit and banned substance smuggling, as well as other more serious offenses. And yet, their motto is as poetic as ever and enforces the rule of frequent riding: “Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. If it weren’t for the Iron Horsemen, the highways would rust”.</div>
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The Black Pistons Motorcycle Club is as outlaw as they come, but instead of being an independent MC, they are a support club to the Outlaws MC. Meaning if and when the law enforcement bears down too hard on the Outlaws, the Black Pistons MC comes in handy, and they also are useful in finding new members for the Outlaws. Their basic rule is simple, follow the constitution of the club, in that all members have to be 21 years and above, own a US-made motorcycle, and be friends with an active member for at least a year.</div>
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The Cossacks Motorcycle Club is loyal to the Harley-Davidson brand and only HD riders of a certain displacement size and above are included in. While they consider themselves to be patriots because of this, they take great pains to make sure everyone knows that they are not white supremacists. Any Cossack member is prohibited to wear any insignia or patch that proclaims the whites to be a more superior race and pride themselves in “taking care of their own”, even if that means skimming the law.</div>
</section>Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-38739164455142977722021-05-11T00:30:00.000-07:002021-05-12T15:06:29.348-07:0010 Reasons Why You Should Get Naked More Often Health LifestyleOFF THE WIRE<br />
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10 Reasons Why You Should Get Naked More Often<br /> Health Lifestyle<br />
Getting naked is often thought of as an act that should only be
reserved for sex—and even then some get squirmy! Many people are more
comfortable believing that the more clothes you are wearing the better.
However, getting naked more often can have great benefits for you. Here
are 10 great reasons to get naked more often:<br />
1. It burns more fat.<br />
Your body’s main supply of brown adipose tissue (BAT), or good fat
cells, are located around your shoulder blades and neck. When your body
is exposed to the elements and is cooler, the BAT proliferates and
essentially kills the white adipose tissue, aka bad fat cells. So, not
wearing any clothes helps promote this and makes you healthier.<br />
2. You’ll become comfortable with who you are.<br />
Self-acceptance is hard to come by today. Ask anyone you know and see
if they are happy with themselves. Chances are they will say they are
too fat, not pretty, and find all of the flaws that they can. In
reality, others do not see this. They see that you are beautiful. When
you begin to get naked, you learn to appreciate your body and realize
how beautiful you really are.<br />
3. It saves you money.<br />
Being
naked more often saves on buying new clothing since you are wearing
nothing a lot of the time. Be careful when you are in public, though—you
may have to put on some clothes!<br />
4. It increases your immune system.<br />
Being naked and getting exposure to the sun’s rays actually increases
your body’s vitamin D levels. Vitamin D is directly related to your
immune system. When you have optimal levels of vitamin D, your body’s
immune system is impeccable, and you will be better equipped to ward off
viruses, including the common cold and flu. So go lay outside naked on
your private balcony or in your yard.<br />
5. It makes you face your fears head on.<br />
People cringe today when you mention the words “get naked.” They are so
afraid of it—and today’s children are so ingrained with this—that they
must wear layer upon layer to deal with their body image. However, when
you are naked, you face your fears of body image and self-acceptance,
experiencing some of the best moments of your life.<br />
6. You will feel better in your clothes.<br />
When you do wear clothes (because not everyone has yet accepted being
naked in public), you will start to choose clothing that accentuates the
parts of your body that you love. You will begin to notice that maybe
that muumuu does not flatter your beautiful curves and start wearing
clothes that you love.<br />
7. You will embrace vulnerability.<br />
When you put yourself out there, it is a natural reaction to have fear
and worry. However, this is an opportunity to embrace being vulnerable.
It allows you to think and get down to the core of what really matters
and what is of importance to you. When you strip away all of the excess,
you are 100% you and willing to take on anything that comes your way.<br />
8. You will show the world the real you.<br />
Today, we have many ways of altering our appearance from our true body
image when we wear clothing. Some people alter their image so much that
they fear getting naked with the person they love. It seems crazy that
this could even happen; however, the rise in use of breast-enhancing
bras and Spanx products has put this idea into people’s minds. This all
goes back to being comfortable with your true body image. If a person
really does love you, then they should not love you based upon your
image. If they do, then you may even decide that the
ever-so-uncomfortable leggings that go up above your waist to hold in
all of the imperfections may not be worth it after all.<br />
9. You will have fun.<br />
Well, this could go in all sorts of directions. But when you are
comfortable with your naked body and see it as being flattering, then
life is more fun. You start realizing that you are beautiful and are
willing to do more things that you probably would not have done
otherwise—with and without your clothes on.<br />
10. You can have sex with the lights on.<br />
Many people are self-conscious about the way they look and decide that
the less lighting the better when they have sex. It’s nothing new. If
you survey your best friends, you will probably come to this conclusion
too. They may say that it even gets awkward during sex because they are
more concerned with what their partner thinks of their body than just
having and enjoying amazing sex. When you love the way you look naked,
you will also want to have your partner see you at your best.<br />
What are you waiting for? Start spending more time in the buff today and begin to change the way you think about your body.</div>
Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-25737173262913617102021-05-10T00:30:00.000-07:002021-05-12T15:38:16.721-07:00NO SNITCHIN` NO SNOOPIN` NO RATTIN`<br />
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch4">FIRST RULE: Learn and practice good security consciousness</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch5">Recognizing a snitch</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch6">What makes snitches so persuasive?</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch7">"Mere" snitching vs active entrapment</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch8">Dangerous myths about snitches and undercover agents</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch9">What to do if you believe a snitch is personally targeting you</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch11">If you believe there's a snitch in your group</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch12">HISTORICAL ways of dealing with <i>known</i> snitches</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch13">How do YOU treat an exposed snitch?</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch14">Repairing the damage snitches do</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch15">Beware of accusing someone who might not be a snitch</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch18">Do NOT talk to cops. Period.</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch19">The police officer is NOT your friend</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch20">The Prisoner's Dilemma</a>
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<a href="http://rats-nosnitch.com/rats/#ch28">Appendix 3: Line up a lawyer</a>
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Acknowledgements</h2>
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I intended to acknowledge the dozens of people who
contributed to this book. Given its touchy subject matter, I figured I'd
use only their online nyms, not real names. But, sadly, almost everyone
I asked responded, "Don't mention me!"</div>
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Such is the nature of the police state. </div>
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So the only contributors credited anywhere in the
book are those who wrote items especially for this project or whose
comments on my blog, <a href="http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/" target="_blank"><i>Living Freedom</i></a> I reprinted here. Their nyms appear with their contributions.</div>
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Despite the lack of credits, this book was truly a
collaborative project. Contributors included lawyers, former cops,
security specialists, political activists, members of the drug culture,
business executives in "sensitive" fields, outlaw bikers, and in a
couple of cases people whose identities are so deeply secret that I
couldn't credit them even if I wanted to. (To guard against the
possibility of any snitch sympathizer planting misleading information,
outlaws, former snitch victims, and lawyers checked the text after more
"official" folk had their say. I'm relieved to state that, while many
people added valuable information as the book grew, nobody in this very
experienced crowd spotted anything false or suspiciously "coppish.")</div>
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Contributors came from all walks of life — from the
ultra-respectable to the underground. All shared the same goal of
helping non-violent people save themselves from snitches and —
hopefully, someday — ending the corrupt and evil "snitch culture." Once I
pulled the book together with all that help, an anonymous proofreader
and a friendly layout artist took it from there. There are two people I
am allowed to credit: cover designer Keith Perkins and illustrator
Travis Halverson, whose "no rattin'" drawing you'll find at the end of
the book.</div>
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Each and every contributor was a volunteer. This book couldn't have happened without them.</div>
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This book is for you if ...</h3>
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You are a non-violent person engaged in any
activity that may be controversial, illegal, or merely "sensitive" or
unconventional. These days, anything out of the ordinary can make you a
target.</div>
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Some people who could use this book:</div>
<ul>
<li>Anti-war or environmental activists</li>
<li>Recreational drug users</li>
<li>Participants in the underground economy or anybody who does business in cash</li>
<li>Critics of local or national powers-that-be</li>
<li>Anyone whose profession involves "sensitive" information or activities</li>
<li>Gun owners or dealers</li>
<li>Third-party or "fringe" political activists</li>
<li>Hobbyists who work with dangerous materials</li>
<li>Photographers/videographers</li>
<li>Religious dissidents</li>
<li>People with offshore or unconventional investments (including perfectly legitimate ones)</li>
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It doesn't matter where you fall in the political
spectrum or even if you're apolitical. If police might target you or
your activities, you need to understand how snitches could mess up your
life.</div>
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This book is NOT for you if ...</h3>
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You aim to commit violence against innocent people. In that case, reporting on you isn't snitching, it's self defense.</div>
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What exactly is a snitch?</h3>
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There are a lot of different types of snitches. We
could write an encyclopedia defining them. But we're going to keep this
simple.</div>
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For purposes of the book, a snitch is anybody who
inserts him- or herself into your non-violent activities on behalf of
government. "Government" may mean local cops. It could also mean the
FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, or a host of other state or
federal agencies. It's absolutely mind-boggling how many seemingly
innocuous agencies these days have arrest powers, armed enforcers — and
snitches employed in sneaky sting operations. And thousands of them use
snitches.</div>
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There are two common categories of snitch you need to look out for:</div>
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<b>The infiltrator/agent provocateur.</b> This is
someone (often a professional) who is inserted into a group for an
active purpose, such as disrupting the group, or worst, talking formerly
innocent (or at least formerly non-violent) people into committing
crimes in order to bust them. Agents provocateurs may, among other
things, try to turn non-violent protest into violent action, thus
discrediting movements, giving excuses for crackdowns, and giving more
publicity and power to government agencies.</div>
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<b>The informer/informant.</b> This snitch is
often a legitimate member of a group or social circle who continues to
be active while giving information to the police. This person may be
acting under duress (to save his own skin after being arrested, for
instance). This person may be hoping the cops will pay with money,
drugs, or ongoing criminal immunity for her dubious "services." While
this person isn't necessarily a professional agent provocateur, he may
nevertheless try to talk friends into committing crimes so he can get
more credibility or rewards from his police handlers.</div>
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These aren't the only types of snitches. For example, there's also what we'll call the <b>"accidental snitch"</b> — though <b>idiot snitch</b>
might be more appropriate. This is the person who simply can't keep her
mouth shut about illegal or controversial activities. Cops <i>love</i>
these guys! They don't even have to threaten them, pay them, hire them,
train them, or gain any leverage over them. They just sit back and
listen to them reveal secrets.</div>
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Then there's the type of snitch the British call a <b>grass</b> and old American gangsters might have called a <b>stool pigeon</b>.
This is a person who blabs to cops or other government agents after you
(and probably he) have already been arrested. This person isn't going
to interfere with your activities; that's already been done. He's "only"
going to give sworn affidavits and courtroom testimony against you,
justifying it as a means of saving his own skin. There's not much you
can do about this person. By the time you learn one of your former
friends is a "stoolie," it's too late.</div>
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There are <b>vengeance snitches</b> — people who turn on friends and associates after having a falling out or not getting their way. There are <b>jailhouse snitches</b>
— either deliberately planted in your cell after you've been arrested
or just opportunists who happen to be there and are willing to share
whatever you say (or make up lies about things you said). </div>
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<i>Each</i> and every one of these people is a betrayer of friendship and trust. All of them are just plain <i>rats</i> — and they're as welcome in the company of good people as rats are in a pantry.</div>
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To keep things simple we're going to call them all
snitches — though we'll differentiate when we need to help you look out
for specific problems.</div>
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What makes snitches so dangerous?</h3>
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<b>Snitches are everywhere and their use is growing</b>.
In many cases, genuine police investigations into actual crimes are
almost a thing of the past. Government agents just round up some
snitches, get them to lie or arm-twist them into spying and — <i>voila!</i>
— an instant and easy case against virtually anyone they want to
target. Sometimes they get everything they need from some anonymous
person who makes false accusations via a tips hotline.</div>
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<b>Snitches (and cops) lie all the time and get away with it.</b>
So do prosecutors and virtually all government investigators. Good luck
"proving your innocence" if some liar says you were part of a drug
deal, laundered money, plotted to blow up a bridge, or asked him to help
you murder somebody. Never mind that, in our legal system, the
government is supposed to have to prove your guilt; that's become a
quaint notion.</div>
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<b>Snitches damage individuals, organizations, and movements</b>
even before they actually rat on anybody. The mere fear of them
destroys trust, friendship, and cohesiveness. Some are deliberately
inserted into groups to cause exactly that sort of chaos and dissension.</div>
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<b>They tarnish otherwise legitimate political movements</b>.
When the media reports that members of Group X or Movement Y have been
caught running drugs or guns or plotting to dump toxic chemicals in a
reservoir, guess what sticks in the public's mind — your legitimate
goals or the "fact" that you're a bunch of terrorist whackos? Later,
when it comes out that the entire plot was a fiction created by an agent
provocateur who got a few marginal members to go along with a scheme
the government itself cooked up, hardly anyone notices. All they think
is, "Oh, Group X; yeah, they're a bunch of violent loonies. Thank God
the FBI saved us from them."</div>
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A fact to remember</div>
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This book could help you avoid becoming the victim
of a snitch. It could even help you avoid being pressured into becoming a
snitch yourself.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
But there are NO guarantees. Snitches are effective precisely because they're so hard to detect.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Snitches prey on the naive and unsuspecting and on
misplaced friendship. No book is a substitute for common sense and
healthy skepticism. You have a brain: USE IT.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
You have a gut. When it tells you you're in danger, BELIEVE IT.</div>
</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>They send people to prison.</b> Sometimes
innocent people. Often the victims of snitches have committed "crimes"
that are much less serious than those of the snitch himself. A snitch is
often either a real scumbag who's in the pay of police or a formerly
decent person trying to save herself (or family members or friends) from
a long prison sentence by getting others to commit crimes.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>They may literally cost you your life, your fortune, and your sacred honor.</b> Not to mention your family, your freedom, your friends, your job, your savings, and your reputation. <i>And don't imagine that "mere" innocence will protect you. </i>The
more innocent you are, the more you're likely to be blindsided and hurt
by one of these betrayers — because innocent, naive people make easy
targets.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>They corrupt entire cultures.</b> Think of East
Germany under the STASI or the old Soviet Union. Literally husbands
couldn't trust their wives. Parents couldn't trust their children.
Brothers couldn't trust brothers because so many were reporting to the
state. Now, some countries that knew the horror of snitch culture forbid
or limit the use of snitches. At the same time, formerly free nations
are relying on snitches for everything and encouraging every moron in
the land to "see something and say something."</div>
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<h2>
PART ONE</h2>
<h3>
Recognizing and Avoiding Snitches</h3>
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FIRST RULE:</h2>
<h3>
Learn and practice<br />good security consciousness</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
The military calls this OpSec — Operational
Security. It means conducting yourself in such a way as not to give away
secrets or walk stupidly into avoidable dangers.</div>
<ul>
<li>Don't talk about secret or illegal activities outside your group.</li>
<li>Within your group, talk about them only to people who have a need to know.</li>
<li>Keep groups small. Maybe even as small as a "cell of one."</li>
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<div class="text3bc">
Attorney safety tip:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
A lawyer who consulted on this book says:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
"When dealing with police, prosecutors or their
agents, do NOT base your theory-of-the-game on TV, movies, or other
sources. Or on constitutional theory you may have learned in school. The
other side is playing for keeps and to them rules are irrelevant
inconveniences. Ask Bradley Manning."</div>
</div>
<li>If you use email, encrypt it. Not only that, but encrypt all email
you possibly can, not just email containing sensitive material. Encrypt
your cute cat jokes and your discussions of last night's favorite TV
show (that way you don't call special attention to your most
confidential exchanges).</li>
<li>Do not post sensitive material on social media (a no-brainer, but apparently some still do it).</li>
<li>Do not post sensitive material on social media <i>even when your privacy settings allow only "friends" to see it.</i>
A 2012 court ruling said it's perfectly okay for those "friends" to
turn around and show your allegedly private info to government agents.</li>
<li>Do not talk to cops or indeed any government agents — about
anything. Ever. The most innocent remarks can be used against you. The
"nicest" cop is still not your friend. (We'll have more on this in Part
Three and in the appendixes. This is <i>extremely</i> important!)</li>
<li>Know the laws, potential sentences, and likely prosecutorial
practices against any crimes you're committing. Do not be caught
unprepared.</li>
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<div class="text3bc">
Tip from experience:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
This comes from a friend of mine who spent "the
worst two weeks" of his life in jail, courtesy of a snitch: "Don't hang
with people who are dishonest or lie, even in small, unimportant things.
They have no honor to lose and everything they say and do is based on
profit or benefit to them."</div>
</div>
<li>If you're a political activist, keep your nose clean in other ways.
For instance, if you're an anti-drug-war activist, don't sell drugs on
the side. Don't make yourself an easy target for spurious (or worse,
real) criminal charges.</li>
<li>Unless you actually want to be arrested to become a test case (a
dangerous but sometimes useful tactic), then do everything you can to
avoid giving anyone ammunition to tarnish you or your cause. </li>
<li>Do your best to make sure your associates also follow good security practices.</li>
<li>Get yourself away from associates who are blabbermouths, boasters,
loose-lipped drunks, or "friends" who insist on posting their (and your)
every activity on the Internet.</li>
<li>We repeat: GET YOURSELVES AWAY from anybody who can't keep his mouth shut!</li>
</ul>
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<h3>
Recognizing a snitch</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
While some clumsy snitches are obvious, many more
are nearly impossible to recognize. What follows are only guidelines.
Use them as an aid to your own brain and your own gut, but understand
that when you organize with others to do controversial things, you very
probably <i>will</i> have at least one snitch in your midst. There is simply <i>no</i>
group that cannot be infiltrated. The longer you continue and/or the
more controversial your activities, the more likely you are to attract
one or more rats.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Some typical things snitches and/or agents provocateurs do:</div>
<ul>
<li>A stranger or casual acquaintance tries to get you to do or advise on illegal activities.</li>
<li>A friend suddenly starts pushing you to do or advise on illegal things.</li>
<li>A person joins your group and statements he/she makes about his/her background just don't add up.</li>
<li>A person joins your group and starts stirring up trouble and creating divisions.</li>
<li>A person joins your group and is overly eager to be useful, to pay
for the group's activities, to initiate activities, supply equipment, to
escalate dangerous activities, etc. </li>
<li>Someone goes out of his way to gain your trust, to be really
buddy-buddy with you. Then, when you resist getting into dubious
activities, he drops all interest in you (he's looking for an easier
mark).</li>
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<div class="text3bc">
Advice from the underground</div>
<div class="text3in15">
This ultra-basic piece of advice goes back at least
to the agitators of the 1960s. Yet people still get entrapped by
ignoring it: "You can always tell the FBI agent. He's the one who's
trying to get you to bomb something."</div>
</div>
<li>You're asked to do illegal or dubious business with a "friend of a
friend." This is a big one. It's amazing how many "friends of friends"
(where controversial activities are involved) are actually undercover
cops.</li>
<li>Someone asks you to do something illegal or dangerous that he could just as easily do himself or have done elsewhere.</li>
<li>Someone starts agitating to have your group do something outside
the group's purposes. ("Hey, we just run a little of this 'stuff' across
the border and it'll make us a lot of money that we can use to do
good.") </li>
<li>An older, "more experienced" person joins your group or circle and
soon becomes a counselor of sorts to the youngest, most edgy, most
insecure, most angry, or most naive members. He "cuts them out of the
herd" in order to pull them into illegal plots. (This is a classic
tactic of the agent provocateur.)</li>
<li>Anyone in your group starts agitating for violent action. People who agitate for illegal activities may be snitches; <i>or</i> they may be genuine fools who will attract snitches.</li>
</ul>
<div class="text3in15">
These are not the <i>only</i> ways snitches get you in trouble. But they're among the most common ones.</div>
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<div class="text3bc">
On the other hand, appearances can be deceiving.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
An online commentator who goes by the handle Bulucanagria recalls:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Some years ago I was returning from a job
interview. I was changing buses in downtown Cincinnati when I saw that
there was a hemp rally about to begin. Naturally I stayed on to enjoy
the festivities.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Coming from a job interview I was dressed casually,
but rather nicely; slacks, button down shirt, decent shoes. Also, I'm a
fairly large white guy with short hair, my preference because when my
hair grows out I look like a used Q-tip.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
So, I'm standing at the back of the crowd when a
band comes on to warm up the crowd. The singer intros the song by
saying, "This is dedicated to all the undercover cops out there today
..." and about a dozen people turn and look at me with knowing
expressions. I had to laugh out loud!</div>
<div class="text3in15">
The first speaker comes out (Gatewood Galbraith
RIP), and soon some naif sparks up a joint ... and is immediately
arrested by the tie-dyed, long-hair, bearded hippie! Again I couldn't
help myself and laughed out loud. I've smoked my share of The Devil's
Lettuce but sometimes potheads just ain't too bright.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
My point is that another potential sign of a plant
is somebody who seems to match all the stereotypes of the group you're
in. The agent involved may be smart and subtle enough to provide a
nuanced portrayal of a "fellow traveler," or he may be an ignorant
jackwagon who believes all the hype put out by his overlords and thinks
of his quarry as cartoon characters. It's true that stereotypes become
so by generally being true, but it's doubtful that any one individual
would embrace them all.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Again, this seems like something a savvy person
would already understand but, since we're trying to explain these things
to ignorant fools (i.e. me 30 years ago), I thought I'd share.</div>
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What makes snitches so persuasive?</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
Snitches, especially professional agents
provocateurs, can be master manipulators. Many otherwise-smart people
have been drawn into their traps because they failed to recognize not
only the specific techniques listed in the last section but because they
failed to understand the psychology of snitchery and entrapment.</div>
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<div class="text3bc">
Case in point: Steve Haug</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Haug is one of the agents provocateurs the FBI
planted with the Hutaree Militia — a group that basically did not do
much while its members spouted unpleasant political rhetoric. Haug
inserted himself so persuasively into the group that he became the best
man at the leader's wedding. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
And all the while he was recording hundreds of
hours of conversations and aggressively trying to get the group to cook
up a "bomb plot." A judge eventually threw out all the major charges,
but not until some Hutaree members had spent two years in jail awaiting
trial.</div>
<div align="center">
* * *</div>
<div class="text3in15">
It's also worth noting: One of the other snitches
who helped bring down the Hutaree was a mouthy radio-show host called
Hal Turner. Turner used <i>another</i> infamous tactic of snitches; he
constantly urged, and even threatened, violence against public
officials. All the while he was on the air, rousing dimwits into a
frenzy, he was also <i>a paid FBI informant, reporting on the very people he was inciting</i>. And that's not at all unusual or surprising.</div>
</div>
<ul>
<li>Snitches play on your trust and/or your desire to go along with others.</li>
<li>They may appeal to your loyalty or your fear or some other emotion
("You won't do it? Wow, and here I thought you were one of us." "C'mon,
if you had any guts you'd do this." "How are we ever going to change
things if we don't take radical action?")</li>
<li>They may literally "cut from the herd" the most naive, trusting,
foolish, or discontent of your associates, isolate them, and
psychologically manipulate them into committing crimes.</li>
<li>They may pretend to be your friend. — especially a friend in need.
("I know you don't usually deal, but couldn't you just sell me a little
from your stash?" "Look, just help me get this money out of the country;
it's no big deal." "Hey, I know you have a machine shop in your garage;
how about helping me cut down the barrel on this shotgun? I'll pay
you.")</li>
<li>They may actually be your friend — but a friend who has gotten into
legal trouble and has turned to snitching to save themselves from a
long prison sentence. (Same sorts of urgings as in the last bullet
point, but this time coming from somebody for whom that wouldn't be
characteristic behavior.)</li>
<li>They may make it easy to commit crimes by not only pushing the
idea, but actually supplying the funding, the equipment, the
transportation, and the planning for the crime. They may come across as
natural leaders ("Trust me, I know how to do this!")</li>
<li>They may make hyper-strong appeals to your cause — then use the
leverage they gain to make equally strong appeals for committing crimes.</li>
<li>They often play upon a normal human desire to want to DO something -
which is likely why, if you're a political person, you're a member of
the group in the first place.</li>
<li>And finally — let's never forget — some snitches play on that most
basic instinct of all — S.E.X. Spy agencies have known this as long as
there have been spy agencies. The KGB used to call it "the sparrow
trick"; get a red-blooded heterosexual male up close with an attentive,
manipulative female and said male will eventually whisper all manner of
secrets into her ear. These days, it probably works the other way
around, too. And no doubt homosexual attraction can blind eyes and
loosen lips just as effectively.</li>
</ul>
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<div class="text3bc">
Another point to remember about snitches</div>
<div class="text3in15">
This comes from "just waiting," who also
contributed the excellent primer on interrogation that you'll find in
the appendices. He notes: "While all snitches are cowards, not all
snitches are wimps or sissies. Just because we talk about them as lesser
beings doesn't mean some of them aren't tough as nails — fighters and
brawlers. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
"If nothing else, snitches show a very developed
sense of self-preservation and a willingness to do anything to save
their own ass. Being a rat doesn't diminish their ability to fight, it
just changed their tactics and focus temporarily."</div>
<div class="text3in15">
So beware: Another way snitches can be dangerous is to physically hurt you if you get in their way.</div>
</div>
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"Mere" snitching vs active entrapment</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
Back in the late sixties or thereabouts, there was a
federal case in which Treasury agents latched on to a printer who was
willing to fantasize about doing some counterfeiting. Undercover
Treasury agents encouraged him to really do it. Despite being a printer,
he didn't have the special plates required to print money. So the
Treasury agents provided them. Then he didn't have the special paper
required to print money. So the Treasury agents provided it. And so on. </div>
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<div class="text3bc">
Times have changed...not for the better</div>
<div class="text3in15">
In a Playboy article, James Bovard wrote: "Up until
the early Seventies, defendants often successfully challenged
entrapment as a violation of due process. But in 1973, the Supreme
Court, in an opinion written by Chief Justice William Rehnquist, gutted
most defenses against government entrapment by focusing almost solely on
the 'subjective disposition' of the entrapped person. If prosecutors
can find any inkling of a defendant's disposition to the crime, went
Rehnquist's logic, then the person is guilty, no matter how outrageous
or abusive the government agents' behavior. Justice William Brennan
dissented, warning that the decision could empower law enforcement
agents to 'round up and jail all 'predisposed' individuals.'" </div>
</div>
<div class="text3in15">
A judge tossed the case. And rightly so. There
would never have been a crime, had the federal agents not provided the
means and a big chunk of the motivation. That's entrapment.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Today, that dumb sap of a printer would be in
prison for a long, long, time. As Bovard says, standards have changed.
Although a jury will occasionally decide that some act of entrapment is
so outlandish they'll refuse to convict (do an Internet search on "FCPA
Africa Sting" for a great example), victims of entrapment have ended up
serving decades in prison for going along with plots cooked up entirely
by government agents. Even those eventually found not guilty may lose
everything in the effort to save themselves.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
With courts allowing more and more acts that would
once have been considered illegal entrapment, more and more "mere"
snitches are using their wiles to talk people into illegal deeds and are
even providing the means and money to carry those deeds out. The lines
between "mere" snitches and agents provocateurs are blurring.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Beware of anybody who not only wants you to commit illegal acts but goes out of his way to "help" you do so!</div>
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Dangerous myths about<br />snitches and undercover agents</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
There are two huge myths about snitches, narcs,
undercover agents and other cop-associated rats that you'll hear all the
time. The people spouting this BS always sound as if they know it for a
fact. But the only fact is that they're misinformed — and are
dangerously misinforming you.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Here are the two myths:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Myth #1: If you ask if someone is a narc, they have to tell you.</b></div>
<div class="text3in15">
NO they don't. The myth holds that if you say, "Are
you a narc?" or "Are you a cop?" and the person replies, "No," then
they can never, ever bust you. Baloney! Every variety of snitch can look
you straight in the eye and say, "I'm not a snitch" — then turn right
around and land you in jail. Court cases around the nation - a search
engine is your friend, here - have affirmed the "right" of government
agents to lie to their targets. Which brings us to:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Myth #2: Cops are never allowed to lie to you.</b></div>
<div class="text3in15">
OMFG, cops — and all kinds of other government
agents — lie and they lie and they lie. And in nearly every case the
courts allow them to get away with it. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
But that brings up a related subject. Increasingly,
you can get in trouble for lying to them. Even an innocent and harmless
misstatement can be twisted into a prison sentence for you (search on
"Martha Stewart prison" for an example).</div>
<div class="text3in15">
There <i>are</i> a few sorts of lies that are so egregious that if a police officer tells them the case against you may be thrown out of court (<a href="http://blog.austindefense.com/2006/10/articles/war-on-drugs/are-the-police-allowed-to-lie-to-you-during-a-criminal-investigation/" target="_blank">attorney Jamie Spencer gives an example here</a>). But only <i>after</i> you've been busted, scared out of your wits, deprived of your property, and perhaps driven into bankruptcy.</div>
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<div class="text3bc">
Attorney safety tip:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
A day or two spent in jail because of a frustrated government agent beats a lifetime spent there because of a verbal misstep.</div>
</div>
<div class="text3in15">
So just remember: Cops and other government agents
are the most evil liars in the world — because they have power to hurt
you, they'll use it ruthlessly, and they know they can get away with
almost anything. If you know, or even have good reason to suspect that
someone is a cop or any sort of government agent, DO NOT TALK TO THEM.
About anything. Don't try to outwit them. Do not try to turn the tables
on them. Don't even talk about the weather around them. The only things
you ever want to say to a cop are things like, "Am I free to go?," "I do
not consent to a search," or "I will not speak to you without an
attorney present."</div>
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<h3>
What to do if you believe a<br />snitch is personally targeting you</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
Let's assume that you suspect — but aren't sure —
that someone in your circle is a snitch. And worse, you think the person
is, or even might be, targeting you. What do you do?</div>
<ul>
<li>Again, get away from the person</li>
<li>Do not try to outsmart the person</li>
<li>Do not feed the person false information (because if that person is an undercover agent this could be a crime in and of itself)</li>
<li>Do not commit violence against the person</li>
<li>Just get away — even if it means leaving a group</li>
<li>If you think you've already said or done something compromising
with this person, see a good lawyer and read the section of this booklet
on how to conduct yourself if you get arrested.</li>
<li>Another tip from this book's helpful attorney: "Consider making
your OWN complaint to the authorities about this 'nutball' [the person
you suspect of being a snitch]. This a) puts you on the record as NOT
being in bed with the snitch, b) alerts the snitch and his handlers that
you're aware of him and are thus less likely to be an 'easy target,' c)
creates an appearance that you're not one of the bad guys - since
you're not hiding anything, and d) maybe - with a little luck - the
snitch ends up in jail himself for some time. I would not consider this
'do not try to outsmart' described above (which I agree with)." Of
course, if he turns out <i>not</i> to be a snitch, you may have harmed an innocent person by calling the cops on him. It's a risk. But if the person really <i>is</i>
an agent of the government, this can be a pretty good act of
self-protection. Oh, and one of my friends who speaks from experience,
points out that if you're going to report a snitch to the cops, it's
best to do it through a lawyer. Otherwise you're talking to cops, which
is a no-no.</li>
</ul>
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<div class="text3bc">
It's an old joke, but...</div>
<div class="text3in15">
SterlingStrings writes:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Back in Soviet Russia, twin brothers were born.
They slept in the same crib. As they grew older, they went to the same
schools, and entered the same military duty side by side. After the
military, they started work next to each other in the same factory. They
were married on the same day, and raised their families next door to
each other in the same apartment building. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
The years go by, and the brothers find themselves as old men, sitting on a park bench, sharing a bottle of vodka.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
"What do you think of these new reforms they keep talking about?" asks one brother.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
"Nyet" Says the other, "One of us might be KGB!"</div>
<div class="text3in15">
As I said, old joke, but an element of truth. The
sad reality is, everyone has their version of the "thirty pieces of
silver." Pressure on a family member, fear of jail time, exposure of a
dark secret ... anybody can be turned. The trick is in riding the fine
line between necessary trust and over extending yourself and putting
yourself at risk. Personally, I'm in favor of compartmentalizing
information. Discuss "X" with one person/group, share "Y" with another
group, and keep your yap shut about "Z".</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Also, remember that the Internet is the greatest
snitch out there. Every click, every search, every action CAN be
recorded. I have no evidence that it's being done successfully, but it
can be done. That's enough for me to never use a single point of entry
to the WWW. Visit the public library for some, your local coffee shop
for more, do some lightweight stuff at home, and don't surf and research
at the same time. Find stuff, data dump it to a secure source, and read
it later. If you find it irrelevant, trash it then. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Heads down, eyes up!</div>
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<h2>
PART TWO</h2>
<h3>
A Snitch Uncovered</h3>
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<h3>
If you believe there's<br />a snitch in your group</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
We've talked about how to recognize snitches and
what you, as an individual, should do to protect yourself. Again, we
have to stress that there are no magic bullets; you might be blindsided
and severely damaged by a snitch despite your best instincts and best
efforts at OpSec. The advice in this booklet can lessen the chance of
that, but nobody can give you any guarantees.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Let's say, though, that you believe you've spotted a
snitch and this snitch is not only in a position to harm you, but also a
group you belong to — whether that be a bunch of dope-smoking friends, a
group of hobbyists or gun owners, an activist political organization,
or a religious group.</div>
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<div class="text3bc">
One interesting (though<br />
dangerous) way to ID snitches</div>
<div class="text3in15">
In his youth, Steve was a member of a number of
groups that attracted the attention of cops and snitches. There were so
many iffy hangers-on that the tiny core of solid people weren't sure who
was a cop or who just smelled like one, or who was a snitch and who
might just be a misfit or an idiot.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Then three people hit on a plan. Steve explains:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
"Three of us who fairly trusted each other wondered
how bad we were compromised and decided to try a test. We were a lot of
loosely organized groups with a variety of hangers on. Each of us met
with some of these people and called a 'secret' meeting. It was a cop's
wet dream — with guns, drugs and heavy people promised. One of us went
to each of these meetings and it was only some of the people told about
it and a massive police presence at all of them. (The smart people
stayed home.) It became unpleasant when the Feds, cops and such realized
it was a trick.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
"It left me with the depressing feeling that it was
next to impossible to put a heavyweight group of more than one person
together without a snitch."</div>
</div>
<div class="text3in15">
The first thing to do, as we have said before and
will say again, is to get away from that person and his or her
influence. However, now you've got other people to worry about. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Some members of your group may be absolute
innocents. Some may be blabbermouths or edgy types who are walking
stupidly into the snitch's trap. Some may be friends with the snitch and
hostile to anybody who expresses doubts about the person. Some may even
be associates in the snitch's plan to bust you (it's not unusual for
government agencies to plant multiple agents into one operation and the
bitter old joke that, if not for the snitches, some meetings would be
empty, isn't that far wrong).</div>
<div class="text3in15">
What do you do?</div>
<ul>
<li>Document your suspicions.</li>
<li>If possible, conduct some careful, subtle investigation to see if
your suspected snitch's background and life matches her claims. Does she
really live where she says? Has she been seen with police? Do her
statements about her education or her friends hold up? If not, you may
not have a snitch, but you have an untrustworthy person, for sure.</li>
<li>Share your specific reasons for suspicion with people in the group
that you trust. Yes, we know that snitches destroy trust, so be very
careful when choosing one or two others to confide in.</li>
<li>If you can do so without violating your state's law, quietly begin
video or audiotaping all interactions with the suspected person. If
state wiretapping laws forbid recording without the consent of all
parties, then at least consider openly recording meetings to counteract
any lies the snitch may tell his handlers.</li>
<li>Start a 'Facts, Acts, and Circumstantial file.' After each incident
write details down. Facts are the time, date, occasion, incident,
characteristics of the person(s). Acts are what they did. Circumstantial
is the impressions and anything odd about the situation. Use the FAC
file and keep notes from unsettling situations and see if a pattern
emerges. (Note: This item also appears in Appendix 2, where you will
find details on how to do this, along with many other commonsense OpSec
tips.)</li>
<li>Do not make open accusations unless you have proof positive of
snitchery or copness (as when New York Libertarian Party activists (see
below) spotted a former "suspicious" member in the <i>New York Times</i>, helping the FBI with an arrest).</li>
<li>Discuss with your most trusted associates what to do.</li>
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<div class="text3bc">
Here's one way to spot a snitch!</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Online commenter BusyPoorDad writes: </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Years ago, when the New York Libertarian Party was
starting up, a new member joined and became active. He said he was from a
low-income neighborhood, worked a manual labor job, and did not know
much about politics. He looked the part but things just did not add up.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
He knew how to set a table for a formal dinner,
used the Robert's Rules very well, and fit in very well with the highly
educated members. After about four months of working with us, he just
stopped coming. This sort of thing happened a lot but there were no
signs of discontent. He was always willing to do everything he was asked
to help do (petition, run Nolan chart tables, etc.).</div>
<div class="text3in15">
About a year later he was spotted in the NY Times holding on to someone arrested by the FBI for something.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
His background just did not fit with him. We never
saw him reading books, he talked about watching TV and working at a
warehouse, but he was able to be cultured, had a good vocabulary, and
really wanted to be part of everything. </div>
</div>
<li>Just as your first individual move is to keep away from the suspect
individual, the best group action may be to simply shut the person out.
Stop talking with them. Stop inviting them to meetings. Stop asking
them to be involved in projects. Freeze them out of all activities and
discussions.</li>
<li>In a serious case, you may end up having to shut down the entire
group to foil a snitch or agent provocateur. If so, have a plausible
excuse if you can.</li>
<li>Always, always make sure that you and the other "on the up and up"
members of your group remain on record as NOT advocating illegal, and in
particular violently illegal, activities. Got a blog, a Twitter
account, a Facebook page? Make your opposition to certain activities
clear and public.</li>
<li>Furthermore, make sure you stay on record as NOT advocating things
that the snitch wants. Do not line up behind, or even pretend to agree
with, that person's policy recommendations, strategies, or tactics.
Remember, you may well be being recorded. You do not even want to appear
to superficially agree with things an undercover operative is trying to
talk you into.</li>
<li>Again, finally, you may have to recognize that you can neither help
nor save those who do not wish to be helped or saved. It may be that
your final act has to be turning your files over to some other trusted
member of the group and leaving. You always have a chance of finding
another group. You're not going to have a chance to find another you.</li>
</ul>
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<h3>
HISTORICAL ways of dealing<br />with <i>known</i> snitches</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
Since, as one wag observed, the first snitch arose
shortly after the first secret, history offers us lots and lots of
examples of how groups have handled the betrayers in their midst.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
We do not recommend any of these methods! On the
contrary, we advise in the strongest terms possible against them. This
is just to note how seriously people have historically taken those who
betray them. But, again, to be blunt - DO NOT DO ANY OF THIS! These
examples are for historical, educational purposes only.</div>
<ul>
<li>The IRA used to shoot betrayers in the kneecaps. It wouldn't kill
them, but everyone who saw a former activist lurching down the street on
destroyed knees knew what he was.</li>
<li>The Mafia would famously send stool pigeons to "sleep with the fishes." </li>
<li>Resistance groups, particularly during wartime, have been known to
leave the bodies of betrayers in public squares with messages pinned to
them — or even carved in them. While still saying it's a bad idea, it
did have the effect of discouraging the general populace from working
with the enemy. Today snitches and betrayers often see benefits and face
nowhere near enough drawbacks for their dirty work.</li>
<li>In the 1980s and 1990s, the African National Congress punished
perceived collaborators with the monstrous method called "necklacing."
They'd shove a gasoline-filled tire over a miscreant's neck and arms and
kill the person by setting the tire alight. </li>
<li>After World War II, many women who had slept with or otherwise
collaborated with Nazis were humiliated by having their hair hacked off
while mobs screamed, "Nazi whore!" This might not sound like much
compared with beastly punishments like necklacing. But public
humiliation, shunning, and the attack on their femininity was hugely
degrading and psychologically damaging.</li>
</ul>
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<h3>
How do YOU treat an exposed snitch?</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
Since you are not a Mafioso, and since (so far) we
are not in an outright shooting war with an enemy state, there is no
justification for historical hardcore tactics. We'll say it again: your
best bet is just to get away from the snitch and take protective
measures as described above.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
However, if you're very sure a person is a rat and
you want to take further steps to render the snitch ineffective or
miserable, here are some milder, but potentially effective, tactics.
Again, we DO NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMEND any of these things. They may be
good or bad ideas, depending on the people and the circumstances.
They're just possibilities:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Spread the word.</b> Use social networks both
online and in the real world to notify others that the person is an
informant. Be as factual and give as much evidence as possible. (There
is even a website that contains a national database of known rats, but
since it's a paid membership site, we're not recommending it here. Do a
Startpage.com or DuckDuckGo.com search to find it if you're
interested.) Post the snitch's photo, address, or other personal details
online unless that violates a law in your area. This strategy is,
however, a serious two edged sword - as those methods are ones that may
be used by agents provocateurs in attempting to damage a group by
further destroying trust. In fact, such tactics may well end up with
YOU being labeled - no matter how unfairly or incorrectly - as the
snitch! In fact, removing competent and trustworthy personnel from a
group is high on a snitch's to-do list, and this can be a gift from
on-high to a snitch.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Expel the person from the group.</b> You can do
this quietly — perhaps just by moving meetings and failing to inform the
person of the new place. Or you can do it publicly, literally holding a
purge or a type of trial where you present the evidence against the
person.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Organize a shunning.</b> Shunning has historically been a <i>huge</i>
tactic in close communities. Shunning means shutting a person (and
sometimes his family members) out of virtually all ordinary activity. A
target of shunning isn't welcome into people's homes, can't get served
at restaurants, doesn't have his greetings returned, can't get help from
any of her former friends, and is generally unable to function within
the community. Obviously in many ways this has become harder to do as
we've become less reliant on our towns and neighborhoods. On the other
hand, the Internet has made other, non-traditional forms of shunning
possible.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Turn them in to the "legitimate" authorities</b>.
We mentioned this option before as a means of protecting yourself and
your true friends. The same tactic may work to halt the snitch in its
tracks or even put it in jail. Snitches are often serious criminals.
They may well be up to nefarious deeds that their handlers in the police
departments or government agencies don't know. Or a snitch who's
working for the local PD may be unknown to the FBI, who might be
interested to learn about other things he's up to. Again, we are very,
very squeamish about the idea of turning any non-violent, non-thieving
person into to any law-enforcement agency. But ... well, you'll need to
judge for yourself what the snitch in your midst deserves. And of
course, do this through a lawyer. Don't talk directly to government
agents.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Fun and games. </b>Again, this is a tactic <b><i>we do not recommend</i></b>.
However, traditionally it's been used as a lovely bit of revenge and a
way to keep snitches busy without letting them know you're already on to
them. The idea is to keep the snitch running in circles with false
leads. Set one snitch spying on another. Or give the snitch false
evidence to focus on while you go about your real business unmolested.
We consider this to be in the category of trying to "outsmart" the
snitch — which is not wise. And you must be especially careful that you
never put yourself in a position where you can be accused of "lying to
law enforcement," since you can go to prison for that even when you're
innocent in every other way. But such games can be fun while they last. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Rehabilitate and take the snitch back into your circle.</b>
There are people who believe that some snitches — especially young,
inexperienced people who get in over their heads, get in legal trouble,
and are intimidated into becoming snitches — should be forgiven,
rehabilitated, and eventually brought back into the fold of trust. A
very humane anarchist, Tom Knapp, took this position when young
anti-drug-war activist Stacy Litz was arrested and pressured into
becoming a drug informant. Not many people sympathized (and Litz made
her own reputation worse with her online writings). But some very decent
folks might want to open their arms to a "reformed" snitch. All we can
say is, if you want to go that way, make damned sure the rat has
actually reformed first — and can prove it through actions, not mere
words.</div>
<div class="textboxc" style="width: 550px;">
<div class="text3bc">
A modern shunning</div>
<div class="text3in15">
In the mid-1990s, Bob Black was a very well-known
anarchist. Then, after a personal dispute with fellow writer Jim
Hogshire and Hogshire's wife (a "he said-she said" encounter whose facts
are known only to the three who were present), Black did the
unthinkable.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
And in this case the unthinkable was verifiable. On
February 21, 1996, Black wrote a letter to the Narcotics Division of
the Seattle Police Department, accusing Hogshire of a multitude of drug
crimes, and implying that Hogshire was armed and dangerous.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Paramilitary police descended on the Hogshires'
apartment. They confiscated perfectly legal items (including dried
poppies and a mug warmer they mistook for a drug-weighing scale). Both
Jim and Heidi Hogshire spent three days in jail. Even though a judge
eventually dismissed the charges, Black's accusation made a hellacious
mess of Hogshire's life, cost him tens of thousands of dollars, and
contributed to the breakup of his marriage.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
In the long run, however, it was Black who paid the
bigger price. His publisher (who was also Hogshire's publisher)
destroyed all remaining inventory of Black's books and published an
article exposing Black's perfidy. Another publisher Black had worked
with wrote an open letter in defense of Hogshire. Years later, archives
all over the Internet still tell the story; you can easily find a copy
of Black's snitch letter. Although as of this writing, Black has managed
to keep his Wikipedia page scrubbed of the gory details, the evidence
will be out there on other sites as long as he lives and few people will
ever again give serious credence to an "anarchist" who reports people
to the cops the moment he gets irritated with them.</div>
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<h3>
Repairing the damage snitches do</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
Unfortunately, it's quite possible you'll never be
able to repair the damage done by a snitch. You or someone you care
about may end up in prison, broke, or otherwise badly hurt. A group or
movement you belong to may collapse or members may split off in anger
and distrust.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
As one former government agent pointed out after
reviewing a draft of this book, ruining activist groups is "at least one
of the auxiliary functions of snitches." </div>
<div class="text3in15">
But finding a snitch in your midst can also be a valuable learning experience.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
It can teach you the importance of good security practices.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
It can reveal who's trustworthy and who's not.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
It can teach group members not only to be less gullible, but teach them what signs to look for when a snitch is targeting them.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Uncovering a snitch can help the remaining trustworthy members of a group to pull together.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you're lucky and the activities of your snitch
are particularly egregious, you might even get sympathy, donations, or
renewed positive attention once good people realize what evil that
person and her handlers tried to do to you.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
In part, the long-term results of being targeted by
a snitch depend on how you and your associates handle the problem.
After the initial shock and recovery, look upon it as a chance to learn
and teach others.</div>
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<h3>
Beware of accusing someone<br />who might not be a snitch</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
It can be very, very difficult to detect a snitch —
until it's too late. We sometimes face the evil choice of making a
false accusation against an innocent person or keeping quiet about our
suspicions and ending up with somebody (maybe even us) getting busted.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
The damage a false accusation of snitching can do
is horrifying. First, an innocent person suffers a grave wrong. He loses
his reputation unjustly. She may be attacked by others. Second, your
group of associates may break down in chaos. Your real work may suffer.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Then — this also happens — a wrongly accused person who gets expelled, shunned, or attacked <i>may actually become a snitch in revenge</i>.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
It's also important to remember that a person who
makes a false accusation of snitching is acting like a snitch himself.
And in fact, one tactic a snitch might use to divert suspicion from
herself is to point the finger at someone else.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
So if you suspect someone of snitching but you have
no solid reason for your suspicions, it's usually just best to detach
yourself from the person while remaining watchful. Do not do anything in
that person's presence or within that person's knowledge that you
wouldn't do in front of your mother. Quietly encourage others to be
watchful (it's just good OpSec, after all), but do not make public
accusations without real reason.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Is there a danger in such a wait-and-see approach?
You betcha. Around snitches, and in a "snitch culture" like ours, there
is always danger in many forms.</div>
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<h2>
PART THREE</h2>
<h3>
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU GET BUSTED?</h3>
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<h3>
You may be pressured to become a snitch</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
It happens all too often these days. You get busted
and the next thing you know the cops are either threatening you or
sweet-talking you into snitching on somebody else. They may promise to
"help" you if you agree to become an informant. They may tell you that a
friend arrested with you is already singing like a bird, and you
should, too, if you want to save your ass (see "The Prisoner's Dilemma"
later in this book). They may say they already "know everything," so you
might as well tell "your side of the story" to make others look worse
than you. If they think you're particularly dumb and harmless, they
might even take you out and buy you donuts while talking you into being
their pawn (yes, Philadelphia cops actually did that in their successful
effort to turn anti-drug-war activist Stacy Litz into a drug-war
informant).</div>
<div class="text3in15">
You may imagine, sitting here reading this, that
you'd never, ever, ever stoop to snitching on other people. But the fact
is, until we've been tested, not one of us really knows what we might
do under the right kind of pressure or persuasion.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
The good news is that just a bit of advanced
preparation can help any of us understand how police get us to work
against our own interests and how they turn scared people into
informants. Some pretty minimal knowledge can help us protect ourselves
and our rights. Some of this knowledge can help us avoid being busted in
the first place. Some of it can help us withstand the cynical
manipulations of cops and prosecutors if we do get busted.</div>
<div class="textboxc" style="width: 450px;">
<div class="text3bc">
IMPORTANT</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Please read the article on the Reid interrogation technique<sup>TM</sup>
that appears toward the end of this booklet. The Reid technique is used
by police to manipulate arrestees into cooperating — which may include
everything from confessing to a crime you didn't (or did) commit to
agreeing to rat out your friends.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
The article was written by a man who, as a young
outlaw, was twice subjected to Reid interrogations. He then grew up to
study and employ the Reid Technique in his profession as an
auditor/investigator.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Read and heed it. You're far less susceptible to manipulation once you understand how the manipulation works.</div>
</div>
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<h3>
Do NOT talk to cops. Period.</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
And remember: Everything we say about not talking
to cops also goes for every, single kind of government agent, local,
state, national, or international.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you are confronted by a law-enforcement officer
under any circumstances — at your front door, during a traffic stop,
because you've been fingered by a snitch, or for any reason whatsoever —
<i>DO NOT TALK</i>. If you get arrested, <i>DO NOT TALK</i>.</div>
<div class="textboxr" style="width: 270px;">
<div class="text3bc">
TIP</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Know a good lawyer, keep his or her card on you,
and insist on talking to that lawyer if you ever get busted or even
accosted by a cop who won't take no for an answer.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Avoid using public defenders if you can. Not all of
them are bad, but many of them are overworked and/or just geared to
processing cases as fast as they can. They often deal with petty
criminals who expect nothing more than to be "processed." With rare and
noble exceptions, they are probably not your best resource if you really
hope to be represented as you wish.</div>
</div>
<div class="text3in15">
The only things you should ever say to a police officer are things like these:</div>
<ul>
<li>No, you may not search my vehicle.</li>
<li>No, you may not enter my home.</li>
<li>I do not consent to any search.</li>
<li>Am I free to go?</li>
<li>On the advice of my lawyer, I cannot talk to you.</li>
<li>I will not talk without my lawyer present.</li>
</ul>
<div class="text3in15">
You should never lie to a cop because that in itself may be a crime.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
You should never imagine you can outsmart a cop with clever talk. They've heard it all.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
You should resist the temptation to babble nervously (very difficult for some of us).</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Do not try to explain yourself (also very difficult for some of us).</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Do not try to talk your way out of a situation
except where you can state a legal or constitutional principle that
demonstrates your innocence. This is a technique that can be used by
people who photograph or videotape cops at work, people who legally
open-carry weapons, or people who are legally protesting. (Even then you
may still get busted and/or beat up, but you'll be creating a case in
your favor that might come in useful later.)</div>
<div class="textboxr" style="width: 270px;">
<div class="text3bc">
Attorney safety tip: </div>
<div class="text3in15">
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGgKLgVNfAo" target="_blank">This video</a>,
mentioned again in the appendices, is possibly the best and most useful
49 minutes you will spend on this topic without paying an attorney
first.</div>
</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Oh yeah. And if you get tossed into jail, <i>DON'T TALK TO YOUR CELLMATES OR THE JAILERS, EITHER</i>.
You can chitty-chat with your cellmates to pass the time and keep them
from thinking you're a jerk; you can probably also learn quite a bit
from them. But <i>DO NOT TALK</i> about anything to do with your case.
Even if you don't think you're admitting anything incriminating, you're
opening yourself up to every jailbird who might want to trade
information, even false information about you, to the cops.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
JUST SHUT UP!</div>
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<h3>
The police officer is NOT your friend</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
Contrary to what you might have learned in
kindergarten ... contrary to what you might hope ... and contrary to the
image the officer might be trying to fake ... <i>THE POLICE OFFICER IS NOT YOUR FRIEND</i>. Let us say that again, just in case you didn't get it the first time: <i>THE POLICE OFFICER IS NOT YOUR FRIEND</i>.</div>
<div class="textboxr" style="width: 270px;">
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Again remember:</b> Everything we say about not
talking to cops also goes for every, single kind of government agent,
local, state, national, or international.</div>
</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Unless you've been living in a cave most of your
life, you've probably heard of the "bad cop/good cop" technique. When
you've been arrested and are being interrogated, one cop will bully and
intimidate you until you're just a little puddle of terror. Then another
cop (who may be present at the same time or who may come in later) will
pretend to sympathize with you and want to "help" you.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Don't <i>ever</i> believe it.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you've done your proper work and just said no to
interrogation or said you'd only speak with your lawyer present, you
may avoid this particular form of manipulation. But wherever and
whenever you meet a cop — or any federal agent or investigator, a jailer
or a prosecutor — who acts like he's "on your side" or wants to "help"
you or promises to get the system to "go lighter on you" — <i>DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT!</i></div>
<div class="textboxc" style="width: 450px;">
<div class="text3bc">
Attorney safety tip:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
[In the bad cop/good cop technique] Officer A will
threaten you, your family, your friends, your pets, with severe harm
going back nigh unto the 10th generation. Officer B will then call him
off and suggest that "just a little cooperation" on your part will help
avert all that.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Also be aware that sometimes they don't HAVE to
lie to get what they want from you. Seriously, I've lost count of the
number of defendants I've dealt with who were skaaaaaREWED by talking to
the PD and who told me, "But the officer was so NIIIICE." Not every
officer is going to be Officer McGruff - the "Officer Friendly" model
can achieve amazing results.</div>
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<h3>
The Prisoner's Dilemma</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
When "the authorities" have arrested you and want
to turn you into a snitch, they have a powerful phenomenon on their
side. It's particularly useful if you've been busted along with friends
or associates, or even if the cops persuade you that they have busted or
will soon be busting others in your circle. (And remember again, cops
are among the biggest liars on the planet.)</div>
<div class="text3in15">
In game theory, the phenomenon is called The Prisoner's Dilemma. It works something like this:</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Two (or more) people are arrested but the police don't have enough information to convict either of you.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
They separate the arrestees and offer each a
similar deal; if you cooperate (testify against your friend, agree to
become a snitch) and your friend remains silent, you'll go free. Your
friend will be hit with the full legal penalty.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
On the other hand, if you rat each other out, you may both get a lesser sentence.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
On yet another hand, you realize that if you both
remain silent, you both may go free — but you have absolutely no idea
what your companion is doing — and the cops have given you both quite a
lot of incentive to rat each other out.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
In game theory, according to Wikipedia, "... the
logical decision leads each to betray the other, even though their
individual 'prize' would be greater if they cooperated." In reality, if
you and your fellow arrestee were allowed to discuss your decisions,
you'd probably both opt to clam up; it's part of the goodness of human
beings that we'd rather cooperate than betray. However, the police are
going to keep you apart through this process as best they can, which
makes the temptation to betray seem the only logical, self-protective
course of action.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Sitting here, safely reading this booklet, you
might very well say to yourself, "I'm a good person. I would never rat
out my friend." You imagine yourself thrusting out your chin and saying,
"NO!" no matter what the personal cost to you.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
And there are really some people who would do that. But they're in the minority.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
In reality, you don't know how scared you'd be. You
might be sitting there worrying about what your mother would think if
you went to jail. You might be terrified of losing your job and being
unable to pay your bills. You may have a pet or child at home you're
desperate to get back to. The police will remind you that if you go to
jail you'd be leaving your newborn baby or disabled spouse without
protection. The police might badger you until you'll agree to anything
just to have some peace. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Relationships between friends and associates
complicate matters, too. Seeking self-justification, you might tell
yourself you're just an innocent who got dragged into the whole
situation by the other person. You might think, "Hm, well Bill's
probably ratting me out right now," or "Well, there was that time when
Mary didn't treat me fairly, so why should I sacrifice myself for her?"
One snitch justified her betrayal of principle by telling herself that
she'd be "more effective" as a political activist if she didn't go to
jail; she told herself she would only snitch on certain people, ones she
didn't know well or like very much.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
So you never know.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you're arrested and more than one person in your
circle might join you, the only way to avoid The Prisoner's Dilemma is
to decide in advance that you <i>WILL NOT TALK</i> and make sure all your associates are well schooled in their legal right to keep silent. Have them read this booklet!</div>
<div class="text3in15">
But as always, there are no guarantees. We keep saying that. It's sadly true.</div>
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Mindset: The common territory<br />between snitches and victims</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
Another reason that it's often easy for cops to
turn victims into snitches is that there's sometimes a common mindset
between people who snitch and people who fall into the traps set by
snitches.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Obviously, this isn't true of everybody who gets
busted or otherwise becomes the target of a snitch. But both snitches
and their easiest "marks" are frequently:</div>
<ul>
<li>Overly naive and trusting</li>
<li>Unprepared for bad things happening to them</li>
<li>Cocky and overly confident</li>
<li>Loudmouthed or prone to blat information without thinking</li>
<li>Prone to believe that "nice" cops really do want to "help" them
(yes, it's another form of being overly naive and trusting, but it bears
repeating because if you get caught because you trusted a rat you're
more likely to turn around and trust that rat's handlers)</li>
<li>Very good at rationalizing their own less-than-stellar behavior</li>
<li>(Or conversely) So idealistic and starry-eyed that reality, when it hits, knocks them for a loop.</li>
</ul>
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<h3>
What happens if you refuse to snitch?</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
If you refuse to snitch or otherwise cooperate with
government, the prosecutor may pin more charges on you and may pursue
them with more determination. Worse, prosecutors may threaten to bring
charges against those you love.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Or that may not happen. Sometimes pressure to snitch is just a gambit and nothing terrible will happen to you for refusing.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you do refuse to snitch and "the man" becomes more threatening, consider going public with your courageous refusal. This <i>might</i>
offer you some protection and will very likely gain you friends and
supporters. As soon as you're out on bail, tell your associates what
happened to you. Blog about it. Put it out on social media. Explain the
kind of pressures that were put on you. Describe what you felt and
endured. Describe why and how you refused to become a tool of the
police.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
You'll be wise if you have a good lawyer on your
side from the get-go. Our helpful attorney notes: "This is a good reason
for 'lawyering up' in the first place. People make fun of lawyers, but
there's a <i>reason</i> we exist. Of course, keep in mind that the prosecutor is a lawyer, too, so it's not necessarily all to the good."</div>
<div class="textboxc" style="width: 550px;">
<div class="text3bc">
What if your lawyer advises you to snitch?</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Some lawyers in some circumstances will advise a
client to go ahead and accept an offer to snitch in exchange for more
lenient treatment. Sometimes there are practical reasons: you're guilty
as hell, the cops have the evidence to prove it, and your lawyer thinks
that cooperating would be the best way for you to avoid a long prison
sentence. Sometimes, on the other hand, your lawyer's just a lazy SOB
who doesn't give much of a damn and thinks turning snitch is the easiest
resolution — for him.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you are strongly opposed to snitches and
snitching, tell your lawyer up front that, whatever else happens, you're
not going to do that. Then if your lawyer pressures you to accept any
agreement that involves snitching, get a new lawyer.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
And remember, it'll probably help your case a lot if you AVOID TALKING TO THE POLICE. AT ALL.</div>
</div>
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<h3>
What happens if you become<br />a snitch — and regret it?</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
If you are reasonably cautious in your real-world
dealings and if you have prepared yourself NOT TO TALK TO GOVERNMENT
AGENTS, the chances are good that nobody will successfully arm-twist or
sweet-talk you into becoming a snitch. Even if you get busted, you'll
handle yourself in a way that will make you less vulnerable to
manipulation. (NOT TALKING may also help you in other ways, but here
we're just talking about avoiding being pressured into snitching.)</div>
<div class="text3in15">
But the simple fact is that anybody can break under
the right kind of pressure — and government agents are trained in
sophisticated terror and manipulation tactics. Once you fall into their
clutches, you may simply be in over your head. So what if, under
pressure, you agree to become a snitch — and regret it later? What if
you agree to do it, then before you actually snitch on anybody, you
realize you don't want to, can't, and won't betray other people?</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you become a snitch and <i>don't</i> regret it enough to stop, then to hell with you.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
But having agreed to snitch, then changed your
mind, you've got a tough dilemma and you could use some assistance
getting out of it. You are going to have to be careful, brave, and more
than a little bit lucky to handle the situation well.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>First, you need a GOOD lawyer</b>. You should have had one before you agreed to snitch, but definitely get one to advise you now. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Consider going public with your situation.</b>
Tell your associates what happened to you. Blog about it. Put your story
out on social media. Explain the kind of pressures that were put on
you. Describe what you felt and endured while being pushed into agreeing
to snitch. Then state in the strongest terms why you realized you would
not and could not do it.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Be prepared to lose some friends</b>. You may
gain friends and supporters by openly revealing how the cops treated you
and how you ultimately resisted. But some people will distrust you;
that's just reality.</div>
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<h3>
What happens to you if you <br />snitch and your friends find out?</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
Chances are, if you're a non-violent political
activist or small-time dealer of "college type" drugs who got busted and
turned, your friends will hate you but won't beat you up or kill you if
they learn you snitched on them.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
However, your reputation will be ruined and good luck earning it back.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you snitch and get caught, at the very least be
ready to humbly accept whatever those you betrayed dish out to you; you
only make things worse by making excuses.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If your snitching has gotten others into legal
trouble, you should accept that, at the very least, you owe them
restitution. This may be difficult to do, especially since you may be
facing serious criminal charges and huge expenses yourself. But it's
your responsibility and you'll have to do it if you ever expect to be
taken seriously again.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you are part of a violent group or you deal
hard drugs, don't be surprised if you get killed. Or as our helpful
attorney says (with a nod to Captain Mal Reynolds of <i>Firefly</i>), "Prepare to be surprised very briefly. Or perhaps not so briefly; torture may be involved first."</div>
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<h3>
The rest of your life if you do snitch</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
If you agree to snitch on your friends or associates, know in advance that you're going to have a big price to pay.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
At best, snitches have to spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Your "friends" in the police department or any
federal agency that you snitch for will turn out not to be your real
friends. They will toss you aside like a piece of maggoty meat when you
no longer serve their purposes. Those promises they made to protect your
anonymity? Maybe they'll keep them, but they're just as likely to leak
your name or "accidentally" put your name into a public document. They
may even force you into life-threatening situations and not give one bit
of a damn what happens to you. After all, you're just a snitch.
Snitches are a dime a dozen — and even the cops know they're scum. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Want to see how much "love" cops give their
snitches? Read this New Yorker article about young, naive — and now
DEAD — snitches. ("<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/09/03/120903fa_fact_stillman" target="_blank">The Throwaways</a>").</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Your snitching will probably not be important
enough to earn you a spot in the Witness Protection Program, not even if
you put your life in danger for your cop-handlers' sake.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
You will be on your own and in peril.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
You will have to live with yourself and if you have
any self-awareness at all, every time you look in a mirror, a person
you don't want to be will stare back at you.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you snitch on friends or otherwise-harmless
people, you should and (if you have any decency) you will feel an
obligation to make things right by paying restitution or campaigning to
get them out of prison. This obligation, which you might never be able
to fulfill, could haunt you the rest of your life.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
On the other hand, things could be resolved very
easily. Your betrayed associates may kill you and you won't have to
worry about any of this.</div>
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<h2>
Appendix 1</h2>
<h3>
The Reid Interrogation Technique<sup>TM</sup></h3>
<h3>
By "Just Waiting"</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
Okay, so you find yourself under arrest because of a
snitch. Hopefully you've listened to the advice earlier in this
booklet. You've cleaned up your act and your surroundings once you knew
there was a snitch in your midst, and the only thing you were arrested
for is information given by the snitch. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
First thing to understand: Once you are arrested,
ALL of the rights you had as a US citizen are gone except for two: the
right to remain silent and the right to have an attorney present during
questioning. USE THEM!!!</div>
<div class="text3in15">
No one in law enforcement (LE) is your friend, and NO ONE wants to "help" you. They only want you to confess and do their will.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
The police can and will lie to you. DO NOT LIE TO
THEM!!! More on that later. They will tell you they have
evidence/witnesses/tapes that don't exist. They'll poke, prod, and push
every button they can to try to get you to respond. They'll tell you
your friends are snitching on you in the other room. They'll tell you
the only way to save yourself is to tell your side of the story. They'll
threaten to call your boss. They'll tell you your kids are going to be
taken away and raised by the state. They'll tell you how it will ruin
your parents' reputation. They'll even tell you your dog is ugly.
They'll make wild, baseless accusations — anything to get a response.
Because once they get you to <i>start</i> talking, they're trained in how to <i>keep</i> you talking.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you don't trust yourself to exercise your right
to remain silent, exercise the second and ask for a lawyer. Remember,
you can decide to remain silent or ask for a lawyer at any time during
your questioning or interrogation.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
You know the kinds of things you've been doing. If
you are a high-value target, if you know or associate with high value
targets, or if your activities rise to the level of interest that police
want to question you, LE agencies employ an interrogation method known
as the Reid Technique. It is a method of interview and interrogation
(read: psychological manipulation) specifically designed to produce
confessions.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
That is one big reason you should heed the earlier
advice and NOT TALK TO POLICE AT ALL. But I've interviewed/interrogated
maybe 100 or more people and I've found, almost as a rule, that people
have the hardest time keeping quiet. They want to defend themselves, to
tell their story. I've yet to meet the person who can sit quiet for 10
minutes while someone else talks about them, even less when lies and
untrue accusations start to fill the air. Even for someone who has
regular, unfavorable contact with LE, even people like me who have been
Reided, the hardest thing to do is to shut up. When someone makes a
statement or allegation, its human nature to want to refute it.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
So, if you find yourself being interrogated and you feel you must defend yourself, at least try to minimize the damage.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
First: As I've said before, DO NOT LIE TO LE! You
will get caught. Lies change with every telling, but the truth remains a
constant. LE are trained in detecting the smallest, subtlest change in
your story and ripping it wide open. Dante himself did not imagine a
torture in hell like what you will experience from LE if you get caught
lying to them. Plus, you are now subject to arrest for new charges,
usually, Lying to LE or Obstruction, indictable crimes, and you've done
so on tape. This is how some of LE's best snitches are made!</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Second: If you can truthfully do so, DENY
EVERYTHING. Do it simply and categorically. Don't ramble and make
excuses. Just say, "I didn't do it," "I'm innocent," "That's false." As
you'll see below, they'll do everything within their power to try to
stop you from doing this. If you cannot honestly declare your innocence,
then just say, "I want a lawyer."</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Third: If you feel you have to answer an
incriminating question, qualify your answer. "I don't think I was
at...," "I don't recall seeing...," and "I may have met..." are all
appropriate qualifiers to prevent telling an outright lie.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
LE has studied the meaning of every move, every
movement, every facial expression, every question, every answer. They
identify and exploit weaknesses you didn't know you had. They watch and
hear everything you do and say for meaning. </div>
<blockquote>
<div class="text3in15">
Repeat the question before answering? That answer is a lie. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Little or no direct eye contact? You're evasive. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Too much direct eye contact? You're cocky and/or confrontational. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Change from "is" to "was" or "a" to "the"? You're changing your story to hide something. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Sit up straight, slouch, fold your arms in your
lap, fold them across your chest? You're scared, you're cocky, you're
defensive. Every movement, posture and expression has a meaning to LE.</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="text3in15">
The surest way to know the Reid Technique is about
to be used is the room they put you in after you're arrested. You'll
know it when they open the door. And once they open that door, the ONLY
WAY TO SAVE YOURSELF IS TO ASK FOR A LAWYER! Once the interrogation
begins, LE won't stop until you ask for a lawyer or they've gotten what
they want. Remember, you can ask for a lawyer at any time during the
interrogation, do not be afraid to do so!</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Interrogation rooms are specially designed to make
you as uncomfortable and out of your element as possible. Your chair is
the hard one, in the corner, furthest from the door, and behind some
type of barrier, like a desk. Your interrogators will take positions
clearly letting you know that they are in total control, that you are in
their world, and the only way out of the room is through them. You
can't get to the lights or thermostat. They'll turn the heat up (I once
knew an interrogator who wore a sweater and complained of a chill in a
90+ degree room, talk about psychological manipulation), brighten or
darken the room, etc. They'll create a physically intimidating presence
without ever touching you. For maybe the first time in your life, your
freedom is completely stripped away and you are confined. Control of
every aspect of your physical condition has been stolen from you. When
you are at your most vulnerable, the interrogators are ready to begin.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Reid is broken down into three parts, <b>Factual Analysis</b>, the <b>Initial Behavioral Analysis Interview</b>, and the <b>Interrogation</b>.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b>Factual Analysis</b> is just what it says, an
analysis of the facts in a case. Prior to talking to you, the LE tries
to learn everything there is to know about the event leading to your
arrest. They've gotten a story from a snitch. They know the date, time,
how many people were there, some names, some physical descriptions, the
drugs dealt or the damages caused. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Today, LE is on your Facebook page learning
everything they can about you while developing their interrogation
strategy. They'll try to know as much about you as your best friend, and
use it to try to be your friend. Your favorite band? The LEO saw them
last tour. Have a cat, dog, fish? The cop is so sad, he just had to put
down his 16-year-old catdogfish yesterday. His wife went to the same
school as you, different years. Wow, so much in common, you two could be
pals. Have a pic of you and your mom? Jackpot, he'll use her later, in
his interrogation.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
The <b>Initial Behavioral Analysis</b> is supposed
to weed out innocent suspects, but in reality this is where LE
determines your susceptibility to further questioning and picks the
strategy they will use against you. IBA starts the moment of your first
contact with LE. The law-enforcement officer (LEO) asks simple,
conversational, non-accusatory questions and listens to the way you
frame your answers, watches your facial expressions, the way you stand.
LEO has been trained in what every action and movement mean. Within the
first 30 seconds, LEO knows whether you will be susceptible to
questioning and if he'll be able to get you to talk. If LEO asks if you
know the time, remember that that's a yes or no question. If you answer,
"Yes, its 3:30," you've shown a willingness to please and to give more
information than is asked. You're a perfect candidate for successful
interrogation!</div>
<div class="text3in15">
The official Reid <b>Interrogation</b> has nine
steps, beginning with an accusation of guilt and ending with a
confession. To LE, there are no other acceptable outcomes. If you were
arrested as a result of a snitch, and took the advice of being arrested
clean, LE has nothing more than the accusations the snitch has made.
Remember, don't lie, but if you can't resist talking, at least DENY
EVERYTHING! A good lawyer will rip a snitch apart and develop reasonable
doubt in the eyes of a judge or jury. Snitching and witness credibility
don't exactly go hand-in-hand. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
LE will invariably offer you a chance to "tell your
side." This is cop talk for "make a full confession." Cops brag at
parties about how fast they have gotten suspects to do it.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you don't start wailing and confess to
everything, the next thing they'll try is shifting blame. They'll try to
blame someone else and suggest that maybe you weren't involved but just
got caught up in things. They'll give you scenarios in which to
minimize your participation and guilt. They'll try to make it somehow
socially acceptable, suggesting it was a crime of passion rather than a
premeditated event. LE calls it "developing a theme," what they're
really doing is presenting options for you to pick from to confess to.
React to any one of their scenarios or agree to anything they suggest
here, and you're not getting away until you sign a confession and give
them the names and information they want.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
All throughout, LE will do everything they can to
keep you from denying your "guilt." They will disrupt you mid-word, tell
you to shut up, tell you it's not your turn to talk, anything just to
keep you from denying your guilt. They will try to talk over any claim
of innocence so that denials are never clear on the recordings. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Why? Because opposing what LEO is saying builds self-confidence, something they're working hard to strip from you.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
And secondly (and maybe more importantly), if you
continue to deny, dispute, deny for the first 1, 2, 3, or 4 hours of the
interrogation, then confess to something in hour 5, a good lawyer will
demonstrate coercive interrogation tactics were used and hopefully have
your confession thrown out. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
So qualify if you have to lie. Remember those
"iffy" statements ("I don't recall ..."), but deny being there, deny any
knowledge of events, deny knowing people, deny everything you honestly
can.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you haven't asked for a lawyer and haven't been
denying, the interrogation moves on to the next steps. This is where a
new LEO might come in. He understands your situation, he's sympathetic,
he's your buddy, he doesn't agree with the other LEO's interrogation
tactics, either. He'll tell you he's been watching and that to him, you
don't seem to be the kind of person who could do something like what
you're accused of. He'll tell you he wants to help you. You've seen good
cop/bad cop on TV, well, this is it in real life.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Good cop will appear to be sincerely caring about
your predicament. He'll talk quietly. He'll lay out a bunch of different
scenarios that minimize your guilt, all the while looking for the clue
you give him that he's hit on a winning theme to follow. And that clue
is so subtle you don't even know you've given it. But he does.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Good cop will give you acceptable justifications.
He'll give you two options, you planned what happened or it was just a
one-time thing. With either option, you're still making a confession.
Good cop always leaves out option #3, you can DENY that you're guilty at
all!</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Good cop wants to see your tears; he knows he has you when you cry.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
Once you have been broken down and are ready to
admit to anything (search on "Central Park Jogger case" for false
confessions) LEO will attempt to get you to tell your story to his
associates or write down and sign your story. All of your protest and
denial has been for nothing once you confess. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
So remember these three key points: 1) The police
are not your friends and do not want to help you; 2) If you don't trust
yourself to remain silent, demand a lawyer (you can do so at any time);
and 3) if you feel you just have to talk — don't lie, qualify and
especially if you're innocent, deny, deny, deny.</div>
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<h2>
Appendix 2</h2>
<h3>
Some Commonsense OpSec</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
<i>These commonsense OpSec (operational security)
tips are for any group or any individual whose activities might draw the
attention of the state. Some will protect you against snitches. Some
will just protect you, period. The author is MJR, who works in security.</i></div>
<div class="text3in15">
<br /></div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you wish to have a private conversation, leave
your home and your office and go outside and take a walk or go somewhere
public and notice who is near you. Don't say anything you don't want to
hear repeated when there is any possibility of being recorded. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Never leave a copy of a document or list behind
(unless you want it found) and take a minute to duplicate an
irreplaceable document and keep the duplicate in a safe place. Back up
and store important computer disks off site. Sensitive data and
membership list should be kept under lock and key. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Keep your mailing lists, donor lists and personal
phone books away from light-fingered people. Always maintain a duplicate
off site in a safe place. </div>
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Know your printer if you are about to publish, your
mailing house and anyone you are trusting to work on any part of a
project that is sensitive. </div>
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Don't hire a stranger as a messenger. </div>
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Checks for electronic surveillance are only
effective for the time they are being done, and are only effective as
they are being done if you are sure of the person(s) doing the sweep. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Don't use code on the phone. If you are being
tapped and the transcript is used against you in court, the coded
conversation can be alleged to be anything. Don't say anything on the
phone you don't want to hear in open court. </div>
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Don't gossip on the phone. Smut is valuable to anyone listening; it makes everyone vulnerable. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you are being followed, get the license number
and description of the car and people in the car. Photograph the
person(s) following you or have a friend do so. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
If you are followed or feel vulnerable, call a friend; don't "tough it out" alone. They are trying to frighten you. </div>
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Start a 'Facts, Acts and Circumstantial file.'
After each incident write details down: facts are the time, date,
occasion, incident, characteristics of the person(s). Acts are what they
did; Circumstantial is the impressions and anything odd about the
situation. Use the FAC file and keep notes from unsettling situations
and see if a pattern emerges. </div>
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Do freedom of information requests for your file
under the FOIA and pursue the agencies until they give you all the
documents filed under your name. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Brief your group on known or suspected surveillance.</div>
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Report thefts of materials from your office or home to the police as criminal acts. </div>
<div class="text3in15">
Assess your undertaking from a security point of
view; understand your vulnerabilities; assess your allies and your
adversaries as objectively as you can; don't underestimate the
opposition and don't take chances. </div>
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Recognize your organizational and personal strengths and weaknesses. </div>
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Discuss incidents with cohorts, family and your group. </div>
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Call the press if you have hard information about
surveillance or harassment. Discussion makes the dirty work of the
snitches overt.</div>
<h3>
Addendum on note-taking (Facts, Acts, and Circumstantial)</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
<i>Although some might consider the following to be
overkill, MJR also has experience facing opponents in court and offers
this brief primer on taking the kind of notes that can guide you through
a very tough grilling by police or prosecutors. He writes:</i></div>
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When preparing a "Facts, Acts, and, Circumstantial"
list you are going to have to take notes about what is going on. The
notes should be written in a clear and concise way. Use professional
language and be prepared to substantiate what you record. One never
knows, you could be wrong and get sued or if you do get arrested this
could be the basis for a defense from entrapment. </div>
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The notebook that you use should be lined with a margin on the left. Each page should be numbered. </div>
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What to put in the notebook to make it legal</div>
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First you should start with the date. Then on the
next line write the weather conditions. The reason for the record of
what the weather was like is that the usual first question from a
prosecutor or the other side's lawyer usually is about the weather. This
is an attempt to discredit your memory. </div>
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When you make your first entry, write the time an
event happened in the left margin. Next write down what happened or what
you found and write down the location (address or approximate
location). Then write down the actions taken by those involved and the
names and addresses of any witnesses. If you make a mistake draw one
line through the word and write your initials next to it. Oh and don't
leave any lines blank. If more things happen during the day they all go
under the same date. If the date changes you should start a new date
with the weather. When you finish the last entry of the day sign your
name. This makes it a legal document. Write the notes as soon as
possible after an incident. Last, but never least... If you are going to
use this book in court under no circumstances should you rip out any of
the pages, this will only give the other side ammo to use against you.
The questions you will face will revolve around you hiding something. </div>
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Appendix 3</h2>
<h3>
Line up a lawyer</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
<i>I've adapted this from advice handed out by the helpful, anonymous lawyer whose tips have appeared throughout this booklet.</i></div>
<h3>
How to hire the <i>right</i> lawyer</h3>
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1. Every person engaging in or planning to engage in illegal or controversial activities <i>needs</i>
to have an attorney already on line. After you've been busted and are
standing around at the police station is NOT a good time to be leafing
through the yellow pages. At least not if you're serious about avoiding a
long stay in custody.</div>
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2. You should also expect to drop some money up
front on a consultation with a potential defense attorney. Again,
calling from a police station is NOT a good moment to find out that the
attorney whose number you've been carrying in your pocket hates your
cause, doesn't take cases like yours, or has a conflict of interest. (In
theory, even an attorney who hates you and everything you do should be
able to give you a good defense; but that varies and is definitely not
worth the risk. Make sure you and the attorney are comfortable with and
have some reasonable basis for trusting each other, because if you get
in trouble you are going to have to be seriously ready to open up to
your attorney if you want a chance of winning.)</div>
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3. Former DAs and former public defenders are a
good first choice. But bear in mind that DAs often are of the
"lock-em-all-up" frame of mind, while public defenders are frequently
used to just pleading their clients out to get the best deal possible,
without concern for actual guilt or innocence. This is another reason
you want to have consulted with the attorney BEFORE you need one. And
yes, this may well mean you go through a couple interviews and pay a
couple of fees before you find the "right one."</div>
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4. By interview I mean "find out how much the
lawyer charges for a half-hour of time on a consult then go in expecting
to pay that." When you first interview an attorney, you don't have to
lay out in detail what you're up to — perhaps just say that you're a
free-speech advocate or a drug legalization advocate (or whatever the
general truth is) and that you have been advised to have a good criminal
defense attorney on tap because these days even innocent people are at
peril from snitches and sloppy justice. Ask the attorney's thoughts on
your general activities. His or her length of time working in criminal
defense (generally longer is better, but not always). His or her
experience with people who've been accused by snitches. His or her
willingness to show up at 2:00 a.m. if that's when you get busted (not
per se a deal killer, but be prepared to spend the night in jail
otherwise). </div>
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5. If you already have an attorney you like and
trust, but who doesn't do criminal law, you can ask who he or she would
recommend. Again, you'd still want to do an advance consult/interview
with your proposed attorney. Spending a few dollars on a consultation
can save you a LOT of money and headaches down the road. </div>
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6. Never forget your right to remain silent, except for, "I'd like my attorney, please." Repeat as necessary.</div>
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<h2>
Appendix 4</h2>
<h3>
Other helpful resources</h3>
<h3>
Dealing with snitches</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
<b><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/snitch/etc/script.html">Snitch</a></b> — Transcript of a PBS/Frontline documentary on the whole dirty business of snitching.</div>
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<b><i><a href="http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20090106144310830">Got the Hollow Tips for Snitches</a></i></b> — How radical groups of the past have dealt with snitches and how contemporary groups can learn from the past.</div>
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<b><i><a href="http://www.jensendefense.com/hereshow/handlesnitches.html">How to Handle the Snitch at Trial</a></i></b>
— This guide, by lawyer Jeffrey W. Jensen, is written for defense
attorneys. If you get in trouble because of a snitch, it might help your
defense.</div>
<h3>
How cops deal with snitches</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
<b><i><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/09/03/120903fa_fact_stillman">The Throwaways</a></i></b> — A <i>New Yorker</i>
article on young, naive snitches who were murdered because the cops
they were pressured into working for didn't give a rat's butt about
them.</div>
<h3>
Online advice on dealing with police</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
<b><a href="http://www.flexyourrights.org/">Flex Your Rights</a></b>
— This organization has online videos, DVDs, and tons of advice on how
to handle yourself during police encounters. Topics include "Don't get
tricked," "When do I have to show ID?," "How to refuse searches," "10
Rules for dealing with the police," and much more.</div>
<div class="text3in15">
<b><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc">Don't Talk to the Police</a></b>
— A law-school professor (former defense attorney) and a cop explain
why you should never, ever talk to police even (and perhaps especially)
if you're innocent, even if you're telling the 100% truth. This
explains, in graphic detail, with examples, about how police will twist
your words and/or lie about you if you say anything at all to them.</div>
<h3>
An online guide to interrogation techniques</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
<b><a href="http://www.uboatarchive.net/POWInterrogationArmyTechnicalManual.htm">U Boat Archive</a></b>
— This site contains an extract from TM 30-210 Dept. Army Technical
Manual "Interrogation Procedures." Although designed to teach
interrogation, it can also help victims of interrogation recognize and
thwart typical intimidation and questioning techniques.</div>
<h3>
Books</h3>
<div class="text3in15">
<i>You & the Police!</i> by Boston T. Party </div>
<div class="text3in15">
<i>Snitch Culture: How Citizens are Turned into the Eyes and Ears of the State</i> by Jim Redden</div>
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<i>Snitch: Informants, Cooperators, and the Corruption of Justice</i> by Ethan Brown</div>
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Time & Location<br />
Aug 15, 8:00 AM – 12:00 PM<br />
Lytle Creek Firing Line, Lytle Creek Rd, Lytle Creek, CA 92358, USA<br />
About the Event<br />
Honoring USMC Vets -- From One To Another.<br />
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A word from Sergeant Paul Ehline's only son and fellow USMC vet, Lance Corporal Michael Ehline.<br />
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"There is nothing more important to the fabric of our nation than that of the service of our veterans. I know that personally. I was fortunate enough to serve alongside heroes in the United States Marine Corps. However, there is nothing I could have accomplished without my father, Sergeant Paul Ehline. He instilled in me the ethic of service above self and dedication. He brought that into the Corps-- and I did too.Losing a parent is hard enough. It is especially hard when that person is your idol. When your father taught you all that is worthwhile in the world. Taught you patriotism. Picked you up when you were down. Made sure that your head was screwed on correctly. I could go on, but I don't think I could convey even a percent of what my father meant to me in this-- or any article.Below Leatherneck's M/C will talk about my father's service-- both to the country and to my family. I want to honor his legacy in a way that will build up our fellow comrades in arms." Itinerary Of The First Ride (Subject to Changes):<br />
Venue: Lytle Creek Firing Line Contact: Greg We have discussed the event and we are reserved for the 15th 0800. Additional information needs to be provided to firm up exact accommodations. http://www.lytlecreekrange.com/<br />
07:00 Rally Point:<br />
Shell Station:<br />
Address: 3864 Sierra Ave, Fontana, CA 92336<br />
07:30 KSU: (Kickstands Up)<br />
11 Miles North on Sierra Ave to Range.<br />
08:00:<br />
Shooters Register.<br />
Set Camp at assigned Range (everyone but shooters).<br />
EZ-ups.<br />
Tables, Chairs.<br />
Coolers, Ice, Drinks.<br />
09:00: Paul Ehline Memorial Service<br />
Some Events: TBD But so far:<br />
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Words from Mad Dog President.<br />
Words from Michael Ehline.<br />
Words from Gunnery Sergeant Ryan Eskandary (MARSOC Ret.)<br />
US Navy Chaplin Prayer and Benediction.<br />
USMC Rifle Honor Guard Salute<br />
Bagpipes, Bugler, Taps, Amazing Grace.<br />
Rapid Fire 21 Gun Salute Downrange.<br />
Presentation of Colors to Michael or His Mother (Leathernecks MC (LMCI)).<br />
Presentation of USMC Colors to Michael (Leathernecks MC (LMCI)).<br />
10:00: Open Range<br />
Breakfast. Bacon, eggs, OJ, Coffee, assorted pastries.<br />
Brotherhood.<br />
1200: Dismissed<br />
Other Information.<br />
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No shooter guests pay no fee to attend (Non-Leathernecks M/C must confirm with the range in advance on range fees)<br />
Bagpiper services provided by Joel Daniel. Retired Gunny, 21 years Marine Band. (760-362-3996) marinesandpiper@yahoo.com<br />
Currently, we have 25/27 shooters from Leathernecks M/C.<br />
A Little More About Sergeant Paul Ehline.<br />
Sergeant Paul Ehline, (USMC Ret.) might be the toughest man his son ever met. And Michael served with hundreds of them in and out of the Corps. It has been several months since Paul slipped the surly bonds of earth to his eternal service with his fellow comrades beyond in Valhalla. It was this difficult situation that led Michael Ehline back to the core principles in his life. Why Michael joined the Corps, why he got into law, and how Michael raised a family is all a direct result of Sergeant Paul Ehline and the Marines.<br />
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When a loved one dies-- especially after valiant service, you tend to suffer survivor's guilt. After all, Paul served our nation in a time of need and rose up during the Cold War. Why should such a hero perish while Michael is still in his debt? His country abandoned him and spat upon him when he returned from war. He suffered PTSD and died of cancer as a direct result of exposure to Agent Orange.<br />
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From Salesman To Vietnam Veteran.<br />
Paul's legacy is one that Marines will always cherish. Moving to Southern California, where Paul's son grew up and now practices law, Paul became a model in his community. Able to sell newspaper subscriptions (or just about anything at all), he stood.<br />
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For example, Paul was the only guy in his high school with a 1963 candy-apple red convertible Corvette Stingray.<br />
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Of course, it had his favorite motor a Chevy 327. Paul paid cash for that car and often joked to Ford owners they should "put a Chevy in it." Paul Ehline was the youngest of four, a brawler and a rebel. His tenacity enabled him to excel at a number of skills, including art, mechanics, and fighting.<br />
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Despite enrolling in junior college, Paul was soon drafted into the U.S. Army. Upon reporting to the Army rally point, Paul protested. But Paul was not protesting like a commie, hippie traitor. No, Paul was angry he had been drafted but being drafted into the wrong branch.<br />
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Paul Ehline demanded to be transferred to the Marines because in his words: "Marines are the best."<br />
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His request was granted. So as a young man he was given the solemn responsibility of deploying to Vietnam as a hard-charging devil dog. He rose from private to sergeant as an 0848 quickly due to his natural intelligence and sense of duty.<br />
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What Units Did Sergeant Ehline Fight Alongside?<br />
Paul Ehline was a Field Artillery Operations Chief (MOS 0848). But like most Marines in forward battle positions, the losses were so high, he filled secondary MOS billets and even those of officers. Sometimes he was utilized as a forward observer and rifleman outside the wire. He fought alongside Force Recon Marines and Montingards as a forward observer and passed out Bibles to the Mong. He did so while calling in airstrikes against Vietcong Positions. He was a badass!<br />
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According to his DD-214 Sergeant Ehline served in the following units:<br />
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3d Marines.<br />
G Battery 3d Btn.<br />
13th MarDiv FMF.<br />
5th Mardiv FMF.<br />
What Bases and Positions Did Sergeant Ehline Fight From?<br />
Camp J.J. Carroll<br />
DMZ.<br />
Da Nang.<br />
Gio Linh.<br />
Rock Pile.<br />
Con Thien.<br />
Camlo and others.<br />
He exemplified what the Marine Corps is all about. Most of all, his comrades and son will never stop admiring that about him. He served our nation in Vietnam for two years, volunteering to return for a second combat tour so he could get his men home to their mothers. He completed his task to the fullest, even under enemy fire and facing Agent Orange.<br />
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However, due to less understanding of mental health issues, Paul developed PTSD, as well as the precursors for cancer that later caused his passing from this earth due to Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. (Learn more about Paul Ehline here).<br />
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Life Lessons Learned About Paul Ehline.<br />
His unique life circumstances and time in Vietnam led to a challenging life tempered by the joys and dedication of his life he gave each day. Despite the experience of war, bankruptcies, divorces, pain, depression, and more Paul was the man his son wanted to be.<br />
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The one thing Michael wishes he could take back-- for his sake and those around him was watching Paul suffer in his last years. The last six years saw cancer consistently reduce his standard of living and care. Even the treatments led to severe side effects and pain. However, Paul never abandoned his faith in Christ or the Corps. Continuing in the faith of Christianity, he was the most generous man Michael ever knew. He supported multiple organizations and the needy, even despite his own challenges.<br />
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As much as Paul Ehline loved this nation and the Marine Corps, he loved his son even more. He was close with his siblings, his in-laws, and his nephews and nieces. This earth will always cherish its time with him. Michael reached out to the Marine Corps Association and his friends at the Leatherneck's Motorcycle Club, Mad Dog Chapter, asking for a memorial fitting of such a dedicated Marine. And he got just that!<br />
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The Paul Ehline Annual Ride Against Service-Related Cancer and PTSD.<br />
To honor Sergeant Ehline is no easy task. Nor should it be. The dedication and perseverance he showed in life is something that all Marines aspire to. And that is Leathernecks are working with community leaders and veterans of the Corps on an annual ride in his honor.<br />
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The roar of the motorcycle engine, lure of the road and smell of leather was strong in Melbourne’s west in the ’60s and ’70s.Now, the history of a western suburbs’ bikie club, the Angels, has been documented in a new book.Angels is an autobiographical account of life in the motorcycle club in the 1960s and ’70s, co-written by Altona couple, former member David King and historian Maureen Lane.Mr King was just 10 years old when he met one of the original members, Johnny Wilde, now living in Melton.Ms Lane said she felt it was important to preserve the history of the club, which at its peak boasted 305 members.“All the boys are getting old now and we didn’t want the Angels to be forgotten,” she said.“So, as a historian, I felt it was my duty to record it in some way.“We never meant for it to become available to the public – it was just going to be a book for the ex members of the bikie club.”But the book’s popularity grew through word of mouth, leading to more reprints.The Angels started hanging together about 1954, when Altona’s Cherry Lake was a race track and “Marlon Brando ‘wanna-bes’ flocked there in droves”.Later, Calder Park Raceway would be established in the Diggers Rest farming community, beginning as “a dirt track carved into a paddock by a group of like-minded, motoring enthusiasts wanting to create a place to race their FJ Holdens,” the book states.The Angels and the Vikings were two of Melbourne’s major clubs.Angels would meet at Williamstown beach or at Mama’s deli in Footscray or in one of the paddocks in Laverton where they would “party with the local ladies”.Mr King, who counted AC/DC’s Malcolm Young among his drinking mates, said he “loved everything” about riding with the Angels.“Just the freedom of riding and just having a good time with your mates,” he said.Members would attend the Sunbury Rock Festival held on a private farm between Sunbury and Diggers Rest on the Australia Day long weekend from 1972 to 1975.“Sunbury was an orgy of sex, drugs and rock and roll with near naked men and women ‘letting it all hang out’,” the book states, as it details members’ antics.Mr Wilde recalls in the book that alcohol was banned so a ‘modified’ keg of water was brought in by the club.“We had our own marquee at Sunbury – a tent set up for the Angels and for freeloading coppers.”As the teenagers grew into family men, they would hold their own festivals at Mr Wilde’s Mount Doran farm near Ballarat, raising money for sick children.“The biggest thing, I reckon, is your mateship,” Mr Wilde said. “Because you’ll be riding with a group of blokes that you trust with your life.“Always mates. Never ever was there an argument between anyone in the club, which is a bit rare.“No one had any bad words for anybody … like a big family.”Mr King would go on to join the army and become a chauffeur for Victoria’s governor Davis McCaughey, including during the presidential visit of George Bush Snr.When the completely separate Hells Angels appeared on the scene, the Angels were either patched over or retired.</div>
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Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-78668902034511221912020-07-17T00:30:00.000-07:002020-07-17T00:30:05.471-07:00Oklahoma - Man found pushing stolen motorcycleOFF THE WIRE<br />
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A man on the look-out found his friend's stolen motorcycle and positively identified the culprit.</div>
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On July 6, Tahlequah Police Sgt. Qualls was dispatched to Nalley Road after a man reported he found his friend's stolen bike. David Murray said a Native American man with a neck tattoo was pushing the bike in the roadway, and he asked where he got it. The man claimed he got it from his friend, and became nervous when Murray said the bike looked like his friend's bike. Murray said the man pushed the bike off the roadway and took off running. Qualls had his K-9 partner, Ivo, track the scent of the suspect, but eventually lost it in a wooded area. Qualls took Murray's statement and released the recovered bike to the owner's brother. A short time later, Qualls was notified after the suspect was spotted on Nalley Road. Dustin Duvall matched the suspect's description and was detained while Qualls investigated. Duvall denied pushing a motorcycle and said he was walking home from a fishing trip at the river. Dispatch contacted Murray and had him respond to Qualls' location. Meanwhile, Duvall continued to deny he knew about a stolen motorcycle, and became upset. Murray positively identified Duvall as the man who was pushing the bike. Duvall accused Murray of lying. Duvall was taken to jail and booked for knowingly concealing stolen property.</div>
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On July 10, Officer Thomas Donnell was called to West Delaware Street in regard to a theft. Melissa Paden said her friend, Heather Wilson, was staying at her apartment for a few days. Paden said Wilson was supposed to take her to open a bank account in Broken Arrow, but she was missing from the apartment. Paden said someone went through her purse and $380 was missing. Donnell took Paden to her bank to get statements, since Wilson has possession of her debit card. As of July 10, Wilson had made a $1,020 transaction with Paden's card. Officer Randy Jordan noticed Wilson's car parked on Berry Street, and Donnell arrived there to speak with her. She said she threw away the debit card, and admitted to using it to make purchases. Donnell said the tag on the vehicle Wilson had didn't belong to the vehicle. Donnell found a loaded needle of methamphetamine in the center console and a container of marijuana in Wilson's purse. The officer also found a bag containing paraphernalia and marijuana in the dash. Wilson was taken to the detention center and booked for fraud, possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of marijuana, possession of paraphernalia, and theft for stealing money.</div>
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Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-21603706527161009342020-07-16T00:30:00.001-07:002020-07-16T00:30:03.017-07:00Bikers to hit the streets to draw awareness to child abuse<br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">TAYLOR COUNTY—Bikers, grab your gear and head to Morgantown on Saturday, July 18, for a fundraising event that is sure to draw a crowd, as Bikers Against Child Abuse North Central West Virginia Chapter gets ready to let their engines roar.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">Each year, Bikers Against Child Abuse, or B.A.C.A., chapters around the world saddle up on a designated day to ride to bring awareness about their organization, as well as child abuse, during their 100 Mile Ride. This year’s event will include children’s games, a fire eater, basket raffles, a DJ and so much more!</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">B.A.C.A., a non-profit organization, began in 1995, when John Paul “Chief” Lilly, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and a Registered Play Therapist/Supervisor, noticed gaps in the system when helping children suffering from abuse and neglect heal.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">“One of the main issues he noticed was the child’s safety,” noted North Central WV B.A.C.A. Member Sidewalk. “Law enforcement and prosecutors can only do so much when trying to protect a child, and let’s face it, there just aren’t enough officers to keep up with the growing numbers. So, that’s where B.A.C.A. comes in.”</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">Chief noted that even with the court’s involvement to protect the children, perpetrators were continuing to contact the children causing more damage. He also saw that many children who have undergone abuse did not qualify for therapy funding, again, leaving a gap in their recovery process.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">Playing off the stigma surrounding bikers of the being strong, and sometimes intimidating, as well as experiencing the brotherhood amongst bikers and recalling his kind experiences with them, Chief began to rally that specific community to aid children in need.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">The first ride to visit wounded children and bring them into the biker family was held in 1995, with just 27 bikers present. Now, B.A.C.A. International, Inc. is present in 48 states and 17 countries, ensuring that abused children feel safe and accepted.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">It is B.A.C.A.’s mission to create a safer environment for abused children. The body of bikers pledge to empower children to not feel afraid of the world in which they live.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">“There are a lot of organization out there that will help to feed and provide clothing for abused children, but we focus on empowering them to overcome their negative experience,” voiced B.A.C.A. Member Belle. “We work closely with an area’s prosecutors, law enforcement, CASA organization, therapists or any other entity that is involved in the case, to ensure the children feel a sense of safety and empowerment.”</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">Once it has been determined that a child is fearful of his or her environment, B.A.C.A. is contacted and two members geographically closest to the youth are assigned to the case.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">“We always work in twos,” Belle revealed. “It protects both the children and the bikers.”</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">A chapter ride is held, where all the bikers make their way to the child, who is then initiated into the group and is given a road name, a vest and backpatch to symbolize that they are part of the B.A.C.A. family, and that is where the empowerment begins.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">“Once they are given their road name, we never use their legal name, as a way to protect them. The bikers are only called by their road names as well,” shared Belle.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">The child is then given the names and phone numbers of the two members assigned to him or her. They are told that anytime they feel scared or threatened, they can contact the bikers, who will go meet with the child and stand guard for as long as they are needed.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">B.A.C.A. members will also escort the children to court proceedings, therapy appointments, or act whenever they are called upon by the child.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">To become a member of the B.A.C.A. family, a biker must undergo and pass a federal background check. They are then subject to 12 months of trainings before they are introduced to children.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">“We are not biker gangs, we are a family of bikers who have a goal of protected children who have undergone abuse,” voiced Sidewalk. “We do not condone violence, but we will not allow anyone to intimidate or harm the children that we have welcomed into our family.”</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">Anyone wishing to take part in the 100 Mile Ride is welcome to join. For those who don’t own a motorcycle but would like to get in on the fun and excitement, B.A.C.A. member Raven revealed that they have what they call cagers, those who take part in the event in a vehicle.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">Participants will be asked to pay a registration fee of $20 per rider and $15 per passenger. Registration begins at 10:00 a.m., followed by a blessing of the bikes at noon. There will activities for all ages during the event.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">The ride will begin at Triple S Harley Davidson, in Morgantown, and kickstands will go up at 12:30 p.m. Bikers will end their route at Mary’s Place, where they will enjoy a delicious meal, covered in the cost of registration.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">“This is our once-a-year fundraiser. We do not solicit for money throughout the year. All expenses the biker incurs, they cover 100 percent, whether it’s gas or maintenance for their bike, lodging or whatever. All the money that we raise goes directly to the children,” Belle disclosed.</span><br style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;" /><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: "open sans", sans-serif; font-size: 16.9px;">For more information about this unique group, please visit their webpage at www.bacaworld.org.</span>Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-9162443637188962982020-07-16T00:30:00.000-07:002020-07-16T00:30:08.137-07:00Missouri eases motorcycle helmet requirements OFF THE WIRE<br />
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<span style="box-sizing: border-box;">JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — Gov. </span><a href="https://themissouritimes.com/category/executivebranch/governor-executivebranch/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;" target="_blank"><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">Mike Parson</span></a><span style="box-sizing: border-box;"> signed a bill into law that will ease helmet requirements for some motorcyclists. </span></div>
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<a href="https://house.mo.gov/Bill.aspx?bill=HB1963&year=2020&code=R" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;" target="_blank"><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">HB 1963</span></a><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">, sponsored by Rep. </span><a href="https://themissouritimes.com/category/legislature/house/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;" target="_blank"><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">Travis Fitzwater</span></a><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">, allows riders over 26 years of age with proof of health insurance to opt-out of using helmets once the law goes into effect on Aug. 28. </span></div>
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<span style="box-sizing: border-box;">The bill saw </span><a href="https://themissouritimes.com/opinion-the-military-requires-motorcyclists-to-wear-helmets-and-missouri-should-too/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;" target="_blank"><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">opposition</span></a><span style="box-sizing: border-box;"> from a number of safety groups, including representatives for the National Safety Council and the </span><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">National Association of the State Motorcycle Safety Administrators’ Policy and Research committee. </span></div>
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<span style="box-sizing: border-box;">“The repeal of the all-rider helmet law will have ripple effects across the state of Missouri,” representatives for Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety said in a statement. “More riders will choose to leave their helmets at home, resulting in more unhelmeted motorcyclist fatalities and injuries. These preventable tragedies will in turn upend the lives of their families and increase health care costs for all Missourians. We hope this imprudent policy change will be reversed in the future and the state’s universal helmet requirement will be restored.”</span></div>
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<span style="box-sizing: border-box;">The group’s statement also said when Michigan loosened helmet restrictions in 2012, fatalities involving non-helmeted riders quadrupled. The group also said the previous helmet requirements had been a part of Missouri law for 52 years.</span></div>
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<span style="box-sizing: border-box;">The bill saw extensive debate before passing through both chambers on the final day of the legislative session. </span></div>
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<span style="box-sizing: border-box;">The bill contains numerous other provisions relating to transportation, including special license plates, funding for the state’s Hyperloop testing track project, vehicle registration, licensing, Real I.D., and highways named for fallen law enforcement officers.</span></div>
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<span style="box-sizing: border-box;">HB 1963 was one of nine signed by the governor on Tuesday, concluding the signing of bills from the 2020 legislative session. Other bills signed on Tuesday included one establishing the </span><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">“Authorized Electronic Monitoring in Long-Term Care Facilities Act” and one expanding the definition of a service animal.</span><span style="box-sizing: border-box;"> </span></div>
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<span style="box-sizing: border-box;">Other bills passed into law this week included one </span><a href="https://themissouritimes.com/missouri-adds-greater-protections-for-rape-victims-streamlines-kit-testing/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;" target="_blank"><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">expanding protections for rape victims</span></a><span style="box-sizing: border-box;"> in Missouri and another making changes to the state’s </span><a href="https://themissouritimes.com/missouri-reforms-foster-system-expanding-rights-for-parents-and-children/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;" target="_blank"><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">foster care system</span></a><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">. </span></div>
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<a href="https://themissouritimes.com/what-bills-did-the-governor-veto-this-year/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;" target="_blank"><span style="box-sizing: border-box;">Two bills</span></a><span style="box-sizing: border-box;"> were also vetoed by the governor on Tuesday.</span></div>
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From secret codes to rules most of the society would strongly frown upon, American biker gangs have a lot they don't want us to know about.</div>
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Here's something that will surprise no one: <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/just-what-exactly-is-a-one-percenter-motorcycle-club-anyway/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">Biker gangs</a> have secrets. What may be a shock is the type of secrets they keep. You would fully expect a leather lock-down of the location of the bodies of those two teenagers ... or the name of their meth connect in Reno.</div>
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But bikers have other secrets, some of them unexpected. These previously unearthed behind-the-scenes rules keep those MCs in line while they slop around in hog heaven. It's the only way to keep a bunch of lawless types in line and accountable to <em style="box-sizing: inherit;">someone</em>.</div>
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Bikers are thought of as having the ultimate amount of freedom - no job, no rules, nobody telling them what to do. But that is simply not true. They have jobs and rules like everybody else and if they aren't followed, bad things can happen. But don't tell anyone. Here are ten things the biker bad boys keep under wraps.</div>
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The whole "Me Too" movement hasn't exactly made its way to biker culture yet. Perhaps, give it another hundred years. MCs actually consider women property, a tangible that can be shared or even given away without any thought to what it might do to the female in the equation. It is not uncommon for <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/25-famous-women-and-their-motorcycles/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">biker women</a> to be passed around from rider to rider until they are used up and left somewhere to pick up the pieces of their broken life.</div>
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The <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/how-to-join-some-of-americas-most-notorious-biker-gangs/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">patches</a> on a MC member's vest tell a story. They let you know what club and chapter the wearer belongs to and <a href="https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/how-to-survive-a-biker-bar" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">whether or not they are still a pledge</a>. But a more secretive system of numbered patches goes even deeper by letting others know that the wearer has committed certain acts. For instance, it is well-known that the number 13 signifies that the bearer likes taking drugs and (more than likely) also distributes them.</div>
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Motorcycle clubs are very strict when it comes to their organizational structure. Much like a corporation, MCs operate under <a href="https://ironskulloutlawsmc.weebly.com/bylaws-and-rules.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">exacting rules and regulations</a> meant to keep a bunch of outlaw-types in line. And it works. They have board meetings and follow the rules of succession. Older members are seen as wise and in most cases will have the final word. The <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/15-incredible-military-vehicles-that-never-made-it-to-the-battlefield/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">military</a>-like hierarchy is likely due to the fact that a high percentage of club members are veterans.</div>
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Motorcycle clubs were kick-started after <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/all-the-best-planes-from-wwii-ranked/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">WWII</a>. Military men returning from the front lines found life in post-war America a little empty. They longed for that brotherhood and camaraderie that came with battle, as well as the military's penchant for strict rules and hierarchy. MCs became safe havens for veterans who couldn't easily integrate back into society after witnessing the horrors of war. And just like when you serve your country, club members are expected to follow orders.</div>
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What happens within an MC is nobody else's business. A patch-wearer knows all too well that he is <a href="https://thelifeofarider.com/10-messed-up-rules-biker-clubs-follow" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">not allowed to share with others</a> the daily happenings of the club, or disseminate information regarding the structure or rules of the organization. Very bad things happen to those who disobey golden rule number one: you don't speak about the club with outsiders. This rule comes into greater importance when an <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/15-celebrities-who-were-in-a-motorcycle-club/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">MC</a> is confronted with an investigation by law enforcement.</div>
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Much like "Hotel California," you can check out of an MC any time you like ... you just can never leave. Once that patch is sewn onto your back, you are in it for life (and possibly death). That means the motorcycle club is the center of your leather-vested universe, forever. Sure, you can "retire" from the gang and hit the shuffleboard courts, but you are still considered part of the pack, oxygen tank and all.</div>
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For the most part, outlaw bike clubs are segregated due to a long history of whites-only membership rules that most MCs employed. If a club has mostly white members, it is likely the case that it has ONLY white members. Racism and exclusion is baked into the MC legend, thanks to decades of strict adherence to what were societal norms back in the '50s and '60s. Mixed-race and non-white clubs do exist and thrive on the paved landscape, however they are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to a certain breed of biker.</div>
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It would be easy to assume that outlaw biker types would be a bunch of drug-taking maniacs prowling the streets looking for trouble. How dare you. When it comes to drug use among MCs, to each his own, apparently. Some clubs forbid its members from using certain drugs. Others actually require drug ingestion as part of their unwritten rules. Either way, it is bad for business to be out in public looking sloppy wasted and drawing negative attention to the MC.</div>
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You would think that a bunch of greasy outlaw bikers would steer clear of anything having to do with court or the law. Actually, motorcycle clubs have no problem hiring attorneys and heading to court to protect their house or intellectual property. Hells Angels successfully sued Disney for using their name in the film <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486946/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank"><em style="box-sizing: inherit;">Wild Hogs</em></a>. One of the most famous recent cases saw the Mongols <a href="https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-mongols-trademark-ruling-20190228-story.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">win a long-fought legal battle</a> over the rights to their name.</div>
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Much like during a meeting of the board of directors of a corporation, <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/the-hidden-truth-behind-harley-davidson-and-motorcycle-clubs/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">motorcycle clubs</a> also adhere to <a href="http://www.rcvsmc.net/id6.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(191, 13, 11); border-image: initial; border-left: none; border-radius: 0px; border-right: none; border-top: none; box-sizing: inherit; color: #131313; outline: none; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.2s ease 0s;" target="_blank">strict rules of order</a> during discussions or meetings. Seniority plays a big part here, as does compartmentalizing tasks and information. Members are not free to speak their mind or even speak at all unless the organizational structure allows. Otherwise, things could get out of hand very quickly in a room full of violent alpha males with "Born To Lose" tattooed on their bulging biceps.</div>
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Sources: Thrillest, Riding Club Vs. MC, The Life of a Rider, Iron Skull Outlaw MC</div>
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Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-77376323146837973462020-07-04T00:30:00.000-07:002020-07-04T00:30:01.604-07:00Defund - The Traffic Police...<br />
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OFF THE WIRE<br />
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The culture war that’s boiled in America
the last three weeks, on top of the simmering Covid plague, might be
the end of the United States. It is almost certainly the end of the
America that was. It might also mark the beginning of an American
renaissance.</div>
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Among the radical ideas that are certain
to offend a plurality of us, like the desecration of monuments
portraying long dead and frequently romanticized Confederates, the
beheadings of statues of Christopher Columbus and undiminished hatred
toward a symbol the Confederacy called “The Blood-Stained Banner” there
is one small, radical idea that almost everyone should endorse.</div>
<h2>
Can’t Go For That</h2>
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I understand those bad ideas. I don’t agree with them but I can see where they came from. You can too.</div>
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Most of the monuments to Confederate
heroes were erected well after the war. They were intended to be a
tribute to a dying generation from a younger one. But in most academic
conversations they are interpreted as excuses for the inexcusable – as a
way to “rewrite History,” as if there aren’t already dozens of
histories that get rewritten every day.</div>
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I personally dread the decades when they
will come for the monuments to men who fought in Vietnam. It has
already happened and it will happen again. Where is the America in that?
What is the America in that?</div>
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I understand why black Americans are
offended by the Confederate flag. It is often displayed to symbolize the
sentiment,”Fuck you. We white. You ain’t.” But that is hardly all it
means. It is also symbolizes a military tradition.</div>
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A disproportionate number of the men who
fought in Vietnam, for example, were what the Army and the Marine Corps
called “MAGS,’ which was shorthand for Mississippi, Alabama and
Georgia. While lesser men, particularly from the north, were pretending
to have bone spurs, or one leg slightly shorter than the other or to be
homosexual in order to avoid service in that last terrible war, the MAGs
practically never dodged the draft and often enlisted. For them the now
hated Confederate flag symbolized an honor bound, warrior culture that
wasn’t afraid to fight a lost cause.</div>
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One hardly knows what to say about the
vilification of Columbus. Any historian should know that Europe was
literally running out of trees and running out of fish in 1492. The
“discovery” of America was also the discovery of the Grand Banks and, as
Longfellow put it, ”the forest primeval.” Yes, everybody understands,
80 percent or more of native Americans died. But Columbus did not kill
them. Feral pigs, Small Pox and Influenza did.</div>
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Vote For This</h2>
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But there is, I think, at least one idea
rising out of this quasi revolution that I sincerely endorse and I
think you should too: The so-called “Defunding the Police.” Parts of
that “Defunding,” are certain to fail: Like taking power back from the
police unions, reducing the proliferation of Bearcats and machine guns,
and at least accounting for Swat raids.Those reforms will be
propagandized by all sides. Be prepared. A year from now a Texas Ranger
will openly weep before Congress.</div>
Nevertheless, there is one, small improvement we can make to America
on which we all should be able to agree and we can do it next week. We
can end traffic stops. Say it loud and say it proud. End traffic stops!<br />
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Traffic stops, everyone knows or should
know, epitomize what is wrong with American policing. When they aren’t
aimed at hurried mommies doing rolling stops on the way to school they
are used as a pretext to hang a gun or drug charge on otherwise innocent
outlaw bikers, hoodrats and whoever else the police think is an
“objective enemy of the state.”</div>
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Enemies Of The State</h2>
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The political philosopher Hannah Arendt
coined the term “objective enemy.’ It describes a condition one step
short of criminality. It describes people who the police assume are
criminals because they belong to some other identifiable category:
Because they happen to belong to or associate with a motorcycle club, or
they are black, or they self-identify as a neo-nazi, or they are on
their way home from a mosque or a Jewish <em>Shabbat</em>.</div>
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I am astounded to discover that I am more in sympathy with Black Lives Matter than I ever would have thought.</div>
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I think that starting immediately all
traffic stops except when necessary to prevent a clear and imminent
danger to the public (like reckless driving) should be ended. Just no
more traffic stops.</div>
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All traffic violations should be
recorded and reported by unarmed meter maids with video cameras. If a
mommy does a rolling stop mail her her ticket and include a link to the
video where she can see the evidence. No more stopping rappers because
their cars are too nice. No more stopping bikers because their front
wheels touched a line. No more.</div>
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No more traffic stops ever. Period. No
more of men with guns sauntering up beside you, demanding your papers,
running your biography through the nearest fusion center, and then
demanding to know why you will not acquiesce to a warrantless search.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
Search why? Because some cop thinks he
smells something? Or because, “based on his training and experience,” he
knows that somebody who looks like you is, at least, a potential
criminal.</div>
<div style="text-align: justify;">
No more traffic stops unless you are
doing something like fleeing from a bank robbery. Demand that. Tell the
police to stop fishing for offenses. No more traffic stops.</div>
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If America can accomplish that. then all
of this noise and chaos will have been worth it and this will be a
better country. Maybe the disintegration of America will even stop for a
week or so.</div>
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Rebel,RIP My Friend,<br />
‘May the wind always be at your back and the sun upon your face as the wings of destiny carry you aloft to be with the stars’<br />
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Philip aka Screwdriver..<br />
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Thanks so much for the outpouring of
appreciation and respect. It really has been overwhelming. So many
have asked for information in regard to assisting with funeral and
memorial costs that Marnie, Rebel’s life partner, has created a Gofundme
account which will be used to support those costs and will be greatly
appreciated — the link is here:</div>
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Will post on this site details of all arrangements as they are made.</div>
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Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-44044375243746163412020-07-03T16:18:00.004-07:002020-07-03T16:19:01.147-07:00Rebel aka The Aging Rebel will be missed.....OFF THE WIRE<br />
This is Nick Mead – I am a good friend of Rebel and I am burdened
with passing on the very very sad news that Rebel passed away yesterday
evening. Less than a week ago he fell and sustained a head injury that
had devastating effects of which he never recovered.<br />
I’m not sure about accessing this site again so my direct contact email is NickMeadFilm@gmail.com<br />
Rebel was a very close friend and will be forever missed .<br />
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Love to all.<br />
Nick MeadPhilip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-3078170042910427142020-07-03T16:06:00.001-07:002020-07-03T16:06:35.129-07:00Just What Exactly Is A One-Percenter Motorcycle Club Anyway?OFF THE WIRE<br />
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There are apparently hundreds of one-percenter Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs (OMCs) across the globe, but 5 gangs reign supreme.</div>
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To answer this question we harken back to post-WWII (July 21st, 1947 to be exact). Life magazine ran what has been categorized as a sensationalist article about an event that later became known as the Hollister Riot. Using a staged photograph of a drunk biker, double-fisting (beers) and sitting atop his <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/9-modified-harley-davidsons-wed-love-to-ride-1-thats-garbage/" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">Harley-Davidson</a> while surrounded by a heap of broken bottles on the ground, the title of the story read, “<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollister_riot" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">Cyclist’s Holiday: He and Friends Terrorize Town.”</a></div>
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In actuality the event was the AMA-sanctioned annual <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/check-out-these-crazy-pics-from-biker-rallies/" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">Gypsy Tour race</a>, which was the top motorcycle racing and gathering event for decades across America. Coveting the influx of business, <a href="https://www.thoughtco.com/one-percenters-overview-971954" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">Hollister residents happily welcomed 4000 bikers</a> and on-lookers for the 3 day festival with the understanding that people would get drunk and race motorcycles, but not necessarily in that order. Not unexpectedly, the California Highway Patrol was eventually called in to break up the party. There were no reports of locals being harmed, nor any property damage or looting, but newspapers and magazines ran headlines about riots and terrorism. Legend says that the AMA defended their biker clubs by saying 99 percent of them were law-abiding citizens, and “The trouble was caused by the one percent deviant that tarnishes the public image of both motorcycles and motorcyclists”. The term ‘one-percenter’ was born from this event and has come to be a catch-all name for biker clubs not sanctioned by the AMA due to criminal activities.</div>
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<strong style="box-sizing: border-box;">There are apparently hundreds of one-percenter Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs (OMCs) across the globe, but 5 gangs reign supreme. Depending on who you ask, the 1%er diamond badge can denote different criminal things, but there are groups dedicated to ending this moniker once and for all.</strong></div>
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Big 5 + Hundreds More</h2>
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The Big 5 OMCs are the Hells Angels, Bandidos, Mongols, Outlaws, and Pagans; all named so because of their wide-reaching power and influence. Structure varies from club to club, but generally, there’s a top tier hierarchy consisting of a president, VP, treasurer, secretary, road captain, and Sergeant-at-arms (enforcer). Women are considered property and cannot be members. Each club has chapters in different areas, cities, and even countries that can be called <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4100862/" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">Support, Satellite or Regional clubs</a>, but the 1%er diamond patch will only be worn by the dominant club in a territory.</div>
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All but the Outlaws club began their criminal activities post-WWII. Many former soldiers suffered from PTSD and were left traumatized by the horrors of the Nazi-Axis holocaust. They quickly learned their government wasn’t willing to help them try to integrate back into society, but that life in a biker gang offered the brotherhood camaraderie and organizational structure many missed since returning. Ironically, despite fighting against it in WWII, all but the Mongols have <a href="https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/ADL_CR_Bigots_on_Bikes_online.pdf" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">deep ties to white-supremacy hate groups</a> like the KKK and Aryan Brotherhood. <a href="https://www.hotcars.com/15-things-about-the-mongols-motorcycle-club-you-didnt-know/" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">The Mongols</a> were founded by non-caucasian bikers who were <a href="https://www.complex.com/sports/2020/04/10-most-dangerous-motorcycle-gangs-in-america/the-mongols" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">denied entry into the Angels because of their race</a>, and have been fighting them ever since.</div>
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1% Of The 1%ers</h2>
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The Department of Justice defines all OMCs as 1%ers, calling them tightly structured criminal organizations, “<a href="https://www.thoughtco.com/one-percenters-overview-971954" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">whose members use their motorcycle clubs as conduits for criminal enterprises</a>“. George Knox, director of the <a href="https://www.ngcrc.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">National Gang Crime Research Center</a> has stated that 1%ers are undoubtedly criminals who participate in drugs, theft, prostitution, and extortion. The FBI estimates the Angels make up to a <a href="https://info.publicintelligence.net/LA-OutlawBikers.pdf" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">billion dollars a year in illegal drug sales.</a></div>
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According to Bikers of America, <a href="https://www.bustle.com/articles/84812-what-is-a-one-percent-biker-why-does-it-matter-in-light-of-the-waco" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">1%ers are actually just bikers who are 100% “committed to biking and brotherhood</a>” and the ‘outlaw lifestyle’, but all within the confines of the law. Ironically they use a police analogy to make their point, claiming not all police are bad even if there are a few bad apples, just like not all 1%ers are criminals, even if a few are. On their website, you can also find a 100 page blog post explaining <a href="https://bikersofamerica.blogspot.com/" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">how to deal with ‘rats and snitches’</a>.</div>
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<a href="http://www.outlawsmcworld.com/onepercenter.htm" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">The Outlaws MC website</a> has a specially written article addressing the 1%er patch. They wrote, “We work, have families, and do all the things that our neighbors do. To say that 1%er’s are criminals or people of a lesser moral code than the rest of society is a tainted opinion. The Outlaws Motorcycle Club is not a criminal organization.” <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_motorcycle_club#Outlaw_motorcycle_clubs_and_crime" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">In 2010, a Virginia grand jury indicted 27 Outlaws</a> members under the RICO act on various charges including assaults, kidnapping, drug dealing, illegal gambling, and attempted murder.</div>
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LEMC’s And The 99% Fight Back</h2>
<figure class="wp-block-image size-large" style="box-sizing: border-box; height: auto; margin: 0px; max-width: 100%;"><img alt="Tuckesee Chapter Of The Harley Owners Group" class="jetpack-lazy-image jetpack-lazy-image--handled" data-lazy-loaded="1" data-recalc-dims="1" src="https://i0.wp.com/static0.hotcarsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Tuckesee-Chapter-Of-The-Harley-Owners-Group-InsaneThrottleBikerNews.jpg?ssl=1" style="box-sizing: border-box; height: auto; max-width: 100%;" /><figcaption style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #666666; font-family: "PT Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 0.75em; line-height: 1.5; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-top: 0.5em;">via: InsaneThrottleBikerNews</figcaption></figure><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-bottom: 1.5em; margin-top: 1.5em;">
<a href="https://www.harley-davidson.com/ca/en/owners/hog.html" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">The Harley Owners Group (HOG)</a> was founded in 1983 and boasts over a million members to date. It turns out that these people are the true bike-loving aficionados who love riding in large groups as often as possible, but simultaneously remain normal law-abiding citizens. This group is 100% inclusive and sports a ‘Ride 365’ motto, unlike <a href="https://info.publicintelligence.net/LA-OutlawBikers.pdf" rel="noreferrer noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #176db3; transition: color 0.25s ease 0s;">the Hell’s Angels motto</a>, “3 people will keep a secret if 2 are dead”. Harley-Davidson is actively involved in promotion and sponsorship with the various world-wide HOG chapters as a means to change the perception of their bikes and who most often rides them.</div>
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Supreme Court Says Never Speak to a Police Officer<br />
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Washington — The Supreme Court retreated from strict enforcement of the famous Miranda decision on Tuesday, ruling that a crime suspect's words could be used against him if he failed to clearly invoke his rights clearly and, instead, answered a single question.<br />
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In the past, the court has said the "burden rests on the government" to show that a crime suspect has "knowingly and intelligently waived" his rights.<br />
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But in a 5-4 decision Tuesday, the court said that a citizen must invoke his rights. If he fails to do so, anything he says can be used to convict him, the justices said.<br />
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Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote that police were "not required to obtain a waiver" of the suspect's "right to remain silent before interrogating him."<br />
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In this case, Michigan police had informed the suspect, Van Thompkins, of his rights, including the right to remain silent. Thompkins said he understood, but he did not tell the officer he wanted to stop the questioning or speak to a lawyer.<br />
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But he sat in a chair and said nothing for about two hours and 45 minutes. At that point, the officer asked, "Do you pray to God to forgive you for shooting that boy down?"<br />
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"Yes," Thompson said and looked away. He refused to sign a confession or speak further, but he was convicted of first-degree murder, based largely on his one-word reply.<br />
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The U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals overturned Thompkins' conviction on the grounds that the use of the incriminating answer violated his right against self-incrimination under the Miranda decision.<br />
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The Supreme Court reversed that ruling of a lower court ruling and reinstated the conviction. "A suspect who has received and understood the Miranda warnings and has not invoked his Miranda rights waives the right to remain silent by making an uncoerced statement to the police," Kennedy said. He was joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr.<br />
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The court ruled that an ambiguous situation would be treated in favor of the police.<br />
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Justice Sonia Sotomayor, in a dissent longer than the majority opinion, argued that the majority misread precedent and reached beyond the facts of the case to impose a tough new rule against defendants.<br />
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"Today's decision turns Miranda upside down," Justice Sotomayor wrote. "Criminal suspects must now unambiguously invoke their right to remain silent—which, counter intuitively, requires them to speak."<br />
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Justices John Paul Stevens, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer joined her dissent.<br />
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The majority ruling is in line with the position taken by the Obama administration and Supreme Court nominee U.S. Solicitor General Elena Kagan. In December, she filed a brief on the side of Michigan prosecutors and argued that "the government need not prove that a suspect expressly waived his rights."<br />
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She said that "if a suspect knows and understands his Miranda rights," anything he says can be used against him in court."Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.<br />
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Supreme Court trims Miranda warning rights: `Death by a thousand cuts' says defense attorney<br />
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You have the right to remain silent, but only if you tell the police that you're remaining silent.<br />
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You have a right to a lawyer — before, during and after questioning, even though the police don't have to tell you exactly when the lawyer can be with you. If you can't afford a lawyer, one will be provided to you. Do you understand these rights as they have been read to you, which, by the way, are only good for the next two weeks?<br />
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The Supreme Court made major revisions to the now familiar Miranda warnings this year. The rulings will change the ways police, lawyers and criminal suspects interact amid what experts call an attempt to pull back some of the rights that Americans have become used to over recent decades.<br />
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The high court has made clear it's not going to eliminate the requirement that police officers give suspects a Miranda warning, so it is tinkering around the edges, said Jeffrey L. Fisher, co-chair of the amicus committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.<br />
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"It's death by a thousand cuts," Fisher said. "For the past 20-25 years, as the court has turned more conservative on law and order issues, it has been whittling away at Miranda and doing everything it can to ease the admissibility of confessions that police wriggle out of suspects."<br />
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The court placed limits on the so-called Miranda rights three times during the just-ended session. Experts viewed the large number of rulings as a statistical aberration, rather than a full-fledged attempt to get rid of the famous 1966 decision. The original ruling emerged from police questioning of Ernesto Miranda in a rape and kidnapping case in Phoenix. It required officers to tell suspects taken into custody that they have the right to remain silent and to have a lawyer represent them, even if they can't afford one.<br />
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The court's three decisions "indicate a desire to prune back the rules somewhat," Kent Scheidegger, the legal director of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, a victims' rights group. "But I don't think any overruling of Miranda is in the near future. I think that controversy is pretty much dead."<br />
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The Supreme Court in 2000 upheld the requirement that the Miranda warning be read to criminal suspects.<br />
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This year's Supreme Court decisions did not mandate changes in the wording of Miranda warnings read by arresting police officers. The most common version is now familiar to most Americans, thanks to television police shows: "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you. Do you understand these rights as they have been read to you?"<br />
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However, the court did approve one state version of the Miranda warnings that did not specifically inform suspects that they had a right to have a lawyer present during their police questioning.<br />
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The Miranda warning used in parts of Florida told suspects: "You have the right to talk to a lawyer before answering any of our questions. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed for you without cost and before any questioning. You have the right to use any of these rights at any time you want during this interview."<br />
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Lawyers — and the Florida Supreme Court — said that didn't make clear that lawyers can be present as the police are doing their questioning. But Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, writing the 7-2 majority decision, said all the required information was there.<br />
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"Nothing in the words used indicated that counsel's presence would be restricted after the questioning commenced," Ginsburg said. "Instead, the warning communicated that the right to counsel carried forward to and through the interrogation."<br />
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The next day, the court unanimously limited how long Miranda rights are valid.<br />
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The high court said for the first time that a suspect's request for a lawyer is good for only 14 days after the person is released from police custody. The 9-0 ruling pulled back from an earlier decision that said that police must halt all questioning for all time if a suspect asks for a lawyer.<br />
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Police can now attempt to question a suspect who asked for a lawyer — once the person has been released from custody for at least two weeks — without violating the person's constitutional rights and without having to repeat the Miranda warning.<br />
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"In our judgment, 14 days will provide plenty of time for the suspect to get reacclimated to his normal life, to consult with friends and counsel and to shake off any residual coercive effects of his prior custody," said Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion.<br />
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And finally, the court's conservatives used their 5-4 advantage to rule that suspects must break their silence and tell police they are going to remain quiet if they want to invoke their "right to remain silent" and stop an interrogation, just as they must tell police that they want a lawyer.<br />
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All the criminal suspect needs to say is he or she is remaining silent, wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy. "Had he made either of these simple, unambiguous statements, he would have invoked his 'right to cut off questioning.' Here he did neither, so he did not invoke his right to remain silent."<br />
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But Justice Sonia Sotomayor said the majority's decision "turns Miranda upside down."<br />
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"American citizens must now unambiguously invoke their right to remain silent — which counter intuitively requires them to speak." "At the same time, suspects will be legally presumed to have waived their rights even if they have given no clear expression of their intent to do so."<br />
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Police officers will look at these decisions and incorporate them into their training, said James Pasco of the National Fraternal Order of Police. "Officers are expected to adapt to changes required by the Supreme Court," Pasco said. "This will be no different."<br />
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But Fisher thinks the court's Miranda decisions will make it easier for police to get confessions out of people who don't want to confess. "Those decisions open up ways for cops to work around Miranda," Fisher said.<br />
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When U.S. law enforcement officials captured suspected Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad, they did the unthinkable: They read him his Miranda rights. Despite the fact that Shahzad continued to cooperate after the reading of his rights, defense hawks criticized the move as soft on terrorism. Now, one member of Congress has introduced a startling solution:<br />
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The bill filed Thursday by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) would change federal law by creating a procedure to question a suspected terrorist for up to four days before taking him or her to court without jeopardizing prosecutors’ ability to use statements made by a suspect during that time.<br />
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It would also express Congress’s view that authorities can delay reading Miranda warnings “for as long as is necessary” to elicit intelligence from a terror suspect.<br />
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The White House has yet to take a position on Schiff's bill, but you can bet Attorney General Eric Holder will like what he sees.<br />
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Under the bill, the attorney general or the director of national intelligence or their top deputies could certify to a court that an individual is a terrorism suspect and “may be able to provide intelligence to protect the public safety.” In such cases, authorities could question the individual for up to 48 hours without facing an automatic presumption that the statements couldn’t be used in court. A judge or magistrate could extend the period for another 48 hours “for good cause shown.”<br />
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While "for good cause shown" sounds like the legal equivalent of "just for fun," Ben Wittes, an analyst at the Brookings Institution, said he liked the bill, except for the only-four-days-of-detention part.<br />
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Wittes also said 48 to 96 hours really doesn’t give interrogators much time to talk to a suspect. “If you’re going to do this, you might as well give the government more time than that,” the Brookings expert said.<br />
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That's right, federal authorities "might as well" gain the power to hold and question suspected criminals for extended periods of time. While one would expect less hawkishness from a bill written by a California Democrat, the fact that Schiff is up for re-election against this guy puts things in context. When your opponent lists his first two credentials as "former military, former law enforcement," it's time to move to the right, no matter how misguided curtailing prisoners' rights may be.<br />
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The bill filed Thursday by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) would change federal law by creating a procedure to question a suspected terrorist for up to four days before taking him or her to court without jeopardizing prosecutors’ ability to use statements made by a suspect during that time.<br />
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It would also express Congress’s view that authorities can delay reading Miranda warnings “for as long as is necessary” to elicit intelligence from a terror suspect.<br />
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The White House has yet to take a position on Schiff's bill, but you can bet Attorney General Eric Holder will like what he sees.<br />
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Under the bill, the attorney general or the director of national intelligence or their top deputies could certify to a court that an individual is a terrorism suspect and “may be able to provide intelligence to protect the public safety.” In such cases, authorities could question the individual for up to 48 hours without facing an automatic presumption that the statements couldn’t be used in court. A judge or magistrate could extend the period for another 48 hours “for good cause shown.”<br />
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While "for good cause shown" sounds like the legal equivalent of "just for fun," Ben Wittes, an analyst at the Brookings Institution, said he liked the bill, except for the only-four-days-of-detention part.<br />
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Wittes also said 48 to 96 hours really doesn’t give interrogators much time to talk to a suspect. “If you’re going to do this, you might as well give the government more time than that,” the Brookings expert said.<br />
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That's right, federal authorities "might as well" gain the power to hold and question suspected criminals for extended periods of time. While one would expect less hawkishness from a bill written by a California Democrat, the fact that Schiff is up for re-election against this guy puts things in context. When your opponent lists his first two credentials as "former military, former law enforcement," it's time to move to the right, no matter how misguided curtailing prisoners' rights may be.<br />
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Re: Supreme Court Says Never Speak to a Police Officer<br />
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New rules allow investigators to hold domestic-terror suspects longer than others without giving them a Miranda warning, significantly expanding exceptions to the instructions that have governed the handling of criminal suspects for more than four decades.<br />
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The move is one of the Obama administration's most significant revisions to rules governing the investigation of terror suspects in the U.S. And it potentially opens a new political tussle over national security policy, as the administration marks another step back from pre-election criticism of unorthodox counterterror methods.<br />
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The Supreme Court's 1966 Miranda ruling obligates law-enforcement officials to advise suspects of their rights to remain silent and to have an attorney present for questioning. A 1984 decision amended that by allowing the questioning of suspects for a limited time before issuing the warning in cases where public safety was at issue.<br />
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That exception was seen as a limited device to be used only in cases of an imminent safety threat, but the new rules give interrogators more latitude and flexibility to define what counts as an appropriate circumstance to waive Miranda rights.<br />
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Matthew Miller, a Justice Department spokesman, said the memo ensures that "law enforcement has the ability to question suspected terrorists without immediately providing Miranda warnings when the interrogation is reasonably prompted by immediate concern for the safety of the public or the agents." He said "the threat posed by terrorist organizations and the nature of their attacks—which can include multiple accomplices and interconnected plots—creates fundamentally different public safety concerns than traditional criminal cases."<br />
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The new guidelines could blunt criticism from Republicans, many of whom have pushed for terror suspects to be sent to military detention, where they argue that rigid Miranda restrictions don't apply. But many liberals will likely oppose the move, as might some conservatives who believe the administration doesn't have legal authority to rein in such rights.<br />
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The Justice Department believes it has the authority to tinker with Miranda procedures. Making the change administratively rather than through legislation in Congress, however, presents legal risks.<br />
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New York Republican Peter King, chairman of the House homeland-security committee, is among the lawmakers who welcomed Mr. Holder's call to change Miranda. At a hearing last year, Mr. King said, "It's important that we ensure that the reforms do go forward and that at the very least the attorney general consults with everyone in the intelligence community before any Miranda warning is given."<br />
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The Miranda protocols have been controversial since the high court formalized a practice that was already in use by the FBI, albeit not uniformly. Conservatives have long argued that the warning impedes law enforcement's ability to protect the public.<br />
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President Barack Obama has grappled with a web of terrorism policies cobbled together since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.<br />
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Before becoming president, Mr. Obama had criticized the Bush administration for going outside traditional criminal procedures to deal with terror suspects, and for bypassing Congress in making rules to handle detainees after 9/11. He has since embraced many of the same policies while devising additional ones—to the disappointment of civil-liberties groups that championed his election. In recent weeks, the administration formalized procedures for indefinitely detaining some suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, allowing for periodic reviews of those deemed too dangerous to set free.<br />
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The Bush administration, in the aftermath of 9/11, chose to bypass the Miranda issue altogether as it crafted a military-detention system that fell outside the rules that govern civilians. Under Mr. Bush, the government used Miranda in multiple terror cases. But Mr. Bush also ordered the detention of two people in a military brig as "enemy combatants." The government eventually moved both suspects—Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen, and Ali al-Marri, a Qatari man—into the federal criminal-justice system after facing legal challenges. In other cases, it processed suspects through the civilian system.<br />
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An increase in the number of domestic-terror cases in recent years has made the issue more pressing.<br />
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The Miranda change leaves other key procedures in place, notably federal rules for speedy presentation of suspects before a magistrate, normally within 24 hours. Legal experts say those restrictions are bigger obstacles than Miranda to intelligence gathering. The FBI memo doesn't make clear whether investigators seeking exemptions would have to provide a Miranda warning at the time of such a hearing.<br />
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Also unchanged is the fact that any statements suspects give during such pre-Miranda questioning wouldn't be admissible in court, the memo says.<br />
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id.%20%20That%27s%20right,%20federal%20authorities%20%22might%20as%20well%22%20gain%20the%20power%20to%20hold%20and%20question%20suspected%20criminals%20for%20extended%20periods%20of%20time.%20While%20one%20would%20expect%20less%20hawkishness%20from%20a%20bill%20written%20by%20a%20California%20Democrat,%20the%20fact%20that%20Schiff%20is%20up%20for%20re-election%20against%20this%20guy%20puts%20things%20in%20context.%20When%20your%20opponent%20lists%20his%20first%20two%20credentials%20as%20%22former%20military,%20former%20law%20enforcement,%22%20it%27s%20time%20to%20move%20to%20the%20right,%20no%20matter%20how%20misguided%20curtailing%20prisoners%27%20rights%20may%20be.%20%20%20http://reason.com/blog/2010/08/02/those%20...%20y-coming-t%22Cops%20that%20lie,%20need%20to%20die!%22%20A%20police%20officer%20that%20lies%20to%20get%20an%20arrest%20or%20send%20someone%20to%20prison%20should%20be%20shot.%20%20%22In%20the%20U.S.,%20a%20cop%20with%20a%20gun%20can%20commit%20the%20most%20heinous%20crime%20and%20be%20given%20the%20benefit%20of%20the%20doubt.%22%20%20%22The%20U.S.%20Government%20does%20not%20have%20rights,%20it%20has%20privileges%20delegated%20to%20it%20by%20the%20people.%22%20WaTcHeR%20%20Moderator%20%20%20%20%20Posts:%208268%20Joined:%2004%20Mar%202007,%20Sun%201:25%20pm%20Location:%20Quis%20custodiet%20ipsos%20custodes?%20%20Website%20Top%20--------------------------------------------------------------------------------%20%20Re:%20Supreme%20Court%20Says%20Never%20Speak%20to%20a%20Police%20Officer%20by%20WaTcHeR%20%C2%BB%2025%20Mar%202011,%20Fri%207:42%20pm%20%20%20New%20rules%20allow%20investigators%20to%20hold%20domestic-terror%20suspects%20longer%20than%20others%20without%20giving%20them%20a%20Miranda%20warning,%20significantly%20expanding%20exceptions%20to%20the%20instructions%20that%20have%20governed%20the%20handling%20of%20criminal%20suspects%20for%20more%20than%20four%20decades.%20%20The%20move%20is%20one%20of%20the%20Obama%20administration%27s%20most%20significant%20revisions%20to%20rules%20governing%20the%20investigation%20of%20terror%20suspects%20in%20the%20U.S.%20And%20it%20potentially%20opens%20a%20new%20political%20tussle%20over%20national%20security%20policy,%20as%20the%20administration%20marks%20another%20step%20back%20from%20pre-election%20criticism%20of%20unorthodox%20counterterror%20methods.%20%20The%20Supreme%20Court%27s%201966%20Miranda%20ruling%20obligates%20law-enforcement%20officials%20to%20advise%20suspects%20of%20their%20rights%20to%20remain%20silent%20and%20to%20have%20an%20attorney%20present%20for%20questioning.%20A%201984%20decision%20amended%20that%20by%20allowing%20the%20questioning%20of%20suspects%20for%20a%20limited%20time%20before%20issuing%20the%20warning%20in%20cases%20where%20public%20safety%20was%20at%20issue.%20%20That%20exception%20was%20seen%20as%20a%20limited%20device%20to%20be%20used%20only%20in%20cases%20of%20an%20imminent%20safety%20threat,%20but%20the%20new%20rules%20give%20interrogators%20more%20latitude%20and%20flexibility%20to%20define%20what%20counts%20as%20an%20appropriate%20circumstance%20to%20waive%20Miranda%20rights.%20%20Matthew%20Miller,%20a%20Justice%20Department%20spokesman,%20said%20the%20memo%20ensures%20that%20%22law%20enforcement%20has%20the%20ability%20to%20question%20suspected%20terrorists%20without%20immediately%20providing%20Miranda%20warnings%20when%20the%20interrogation%20is%20reasonably%20prompted%20by%20immediate%20concern%20for%20the%20safety%20of%20the%20public%20or%20the%20agents.%22%20He%20said%20%22the%20threat%20posed%20by%20terrorist%20organizations%20and%20the%20nature%20of%20their%20attacks%E2%80%94which%20can%20include%20multiple%20accomplices%20and%20interconnected%20plots%E2%80%94creates%20fundamentally%20different%20public%20safety%20concerns%20than%20traditional%20criminal%20cases.%22%20%20The%20new%20guidelines%20could%20blunt%20criticism%20from%20Republicans,%20many%20of%20whom%20have%20pushed%20for%20terror%20suspects%20to%20be%20sent%20to%20military%20detention,%20where%20they%20argue%20that%20rigid%20Miranda%20restrictions%20don%27t%20apply.%20But%20many%20liberals%20will%20likely%20oppose%20the%20move,%20as%20might%20some%20conservatives%20who%20believe%20the%20administration%20doesn%27t%20have%20legal%20authority%20to%20rein%20in%20such%20rights.%20%20The%20Justice%20Department%20believes%20it%20has%20the%20authority%20to%20tinker%20with%20Miranda%20procedures.%20Making%20the%20change%20administratively%20rather%20than%20through%20legislation%20in%20Congress,%20however,%20presents%20legal%20risks.%20%20New%20York%20Republican%20Peter%20King,%20chairman%20of%20the%20House%20homeland-security%20committee,%20is%20among%20the%20lawmakers%20who%20welcomed%20Mr.%20Holder%27s%20call%20to%20change%20Miranda.%20At%20a%20hearing%20last%20year,%20Mr.%20King%20said,%20%22It%27s%20important%20that%20we%20ensure%20that%20the%20reforms%20do%20go%20forward%20and%20that%20at%20the%20very%20least%20the%20attorney%20general%20consults%20with%20everyone%20in%20the%20intelligence%20community%20before%20any%20Miranda%20warning%20is%20given.%22%20%20The%20Miranda%20protocols%20have%20been%20controversial%20since%20the%20high%20court%20formalized%20a%20practice%20that%20was%20already%20in%20use%20by%20the%20FBI,%20albeit%20not%20uniformly.%20Conservatives%20have%20long%20argued%20that%20the%20warning%20impedes%20law%20enforcement%27s%20ability%20to%20protect%20the%20public.%20%20President%20Barack%20Obama%20has%20grappled%20with%20a%20web%20of%20terrorism%20policies%20cobbled%20together%20since%20the%20Sept.%2011,%202001,%20attacks.%20%20Before%20becoming%20president,%20Mr.%20Obama%20had%20criticized%20the%20Bush%20administration%20for%20going%20outside%20traditional%20criminal%20procedures%20to%20deal%20with%20terror%20suspects,%20and%20for%20bypassing%20Congress%20in%20making%20rules%20to%20handle%20detainees%20after%209/11.%20He%20has%20since%20embraced%20many%20of%20the%20same%20policies%20while%20devising%20additional%20ones%E2%80%94to%20the%20disappointment%20of%20civil-liberties%20groups%20that%20championed%20his%20election.%20In%20recent%20weeks,%20the%20administration%20formalized%20procedures%20for%20indefinitely%20detaining%20some%20suspects%20at%20Guantanamo%20Bay,%20Cuba,%20allowing%20for%20periodic%20reviews%20of%20those%20deemed%20too%20dangerous%20to%20set%20free.%20%20The%20Bush%20administration,%20in%20the%20aftermath%20of%209/11,%20chose%20to%20bypass%20the%20Miranda%20issue%20altogether%20as%20it%20crafted%20a%20military-detention%20system%20that%20fell%20outside%20the%20rules%20that%20govern%20civilians.%20Under%20Mr.%20Bush,%20the%20government%20used%20Miranda%20in%20multiple%20terror%20cases.%20But%20Mr.%20Bush%20also%20ordered%20the%20detention%20of%20two%20people%20in%20a%20military%20brig%20as%20%22enemy%20combatants.%22%20The%20government%20eventually%20moved%20both%20suspects%E2%80%94Jose%20Padilla,%20a%20U.S.%20citizen,%20and%20Ali%20al-Marri,%20a%20Qatari%20man%E2%80%94into%20the%20federal%20criminal-justice%20system%20after%20facing%20legal%20challenges.%20In%20other%20cases,%20it%20processed%20suspects%20through%20the%20civilian%20system.%20%20An%20increase%20in%20the%20number%20of%20domestic-terror%20cases%20in%20recent%20years%20has%20made%20the%20issue%20more%20pressing.%20%20The%20Miranda%20change%20leaves%20other%20key%20procedures%20in%20place,%20notably%20federal%20rules%20for%20speedy%20presentation%20of%20suspects%20before%20a%20magistrate,%20normally%20within%2024%20hours.%20Legal%20experts%20say%20those%20restrictions%20are%20bigger%20obstacles%20than%20Miranda%20to%20intelligence%20gathering.%20The%20FBI%20memo%20doesn%27t%20make%20clear%20whether%20investigators%20seeking%20exemptions%20would%20have%20to%20provide%20a%20Miranda%20warning%20at%20the%20time%20of%20such%20a%20hearing.%20%20Also%20unchanged%20is%20the%20fact%20that%20any%20statements%20suspects%20give%20during%20such%20pre-Miranda%20questioning%20wouldn%27t%20be%20admissible%20in%20court,%20the%20memo%20says.%20%20http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142%20...%2019898.html%22Cops%20that%20lie,%20need%20to%20die!%22%20A%20police%20officer%20that%20lies%20to%20get%20an%20arrest%20or%20send%20someone%20to%20prison%20should%20be%20shot.%20%20%22In%20the%20U.S.,%20a%20cop%20with%20a%20gun%20can%20commit%20the%20most%20heinous%20crime%20and%20be%20given%20the%20benefit%20of%20the%20doubt.%22%20%20%22The%20U.S.%20Government%20does%20not%20have%20rights,%20it%20has%20privileges%20delegated%20to%20it%20by%20the%20people.%22">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 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Cops that lie, need to die!" A police officer that lies to get an arrest or send someone to prison should be shot.<br />
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"In the U.S., a cop with a gun can commit the most heinous crime and be given the benefit of the doubt."<br />
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"The U.S. Government does not have rights, it has privileges delegated to it by the people."Philip aka Screwdriverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02597427717150168199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5673653861667226668.post-44526843853136771392020-05-23T00:30:00.000-07:002020-05-06T12:14:46.373-07:00FBI Admits All Registered Motorcycle Owners Are On Classified Gang ListOFF THE WIRE<br />
MSNBC correspondent Jeremy Lancaster sat down with government official Darrin Cornia to discuss recent rumors that have been in circulation in regard to registered motorcycle owners being placed on a classified FBI gang list.<br />
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Darrin Cornia who currently holds a position within the National Security Branch of the government agreed to complete transparency prior to the interview with MSNBC’s Jeremy Lancaster and did remain direct and seemingly forthright throughout his conversation with Lancaster.<br />
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After a few moments of introduction, Lancaster bluntly asked the following question,” Mr. Cornia, if I were to make the statement, all registered motorcycle owners are currently showing on a classified FBI gang list, would the statement be true or false?<br />
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Cornia responded by saying, “That would be a true statement, the FBI has been collecting and compiling Department of Motor Vehicles and Drivers License Division records for the purpose of adding those that own motorcycles to a classified gang list since 1994.<br />
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Lancaster asked Cornia to explain the reasoning behind the list which seems inappropriately broad, to Cornia answered the question with the following statement, “It’s nothing more than collecting and utilizing data. We may not like to admit it, but the truth of the matter is that those that own and operate motorcycles are 67% more likely to be involved in illegal or criminal activity than those that do not own or operate a motorcycle.”<br />
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The National Security Official went on to explain, “It’s the same as firearms, if local P.D or Highway Patrol were to pull someone over that is a registered firearm owner, that officer has the right to know this information going into the interaction, the same could be said about a local P.D or Highway Patrol Officer that pulled over a registered motorcycle owner, the situations are honestly interchangeable in the eyes of National and Homeland Security.<br />
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MSNBC correspondent Jeremy Lancaster asked Cornia if placing citizens on a gang list just because they are registered motorcycle owners is considered as profiling, Cornia responded to the question by saying, “as a nation do we complain when we add someone that has a Crips or Bloods tattoo to a gang list even though the individual swears up and down that they don’t have gang affiliation? Again these are 2 situations that are interchangeable, we can’t pick and choose.”<br />
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Lancaster asked how individuals can find out if they are on this classified gang list to which Cornia responded, “Did you register a motorcycle or obtain a Class M license anytime between the year 1994 and 2015? If so, than you are on the list.”<br />
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The MSNBC correspondent concluded the interview by asking Cornia, “aside from potential profiling from law enforcement, are there potentially any additional consequences of being on this gang list?” Cornia responded by saying, “the purpose of the list is to collect and utilize data, not to create consequences. Aside from notifying law enforcement that you are a registered motorcycle owner or operator, it can show up to potential employers on select background checks.”<br />
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